Wednesday, July 3, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

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Re: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by DBear » Thu Jul 04, 2019 12:56 am

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There's also a boss in Enter the Gungeon called the Gorgun, but the connection never registered since I didn't know the underlying myth.
In D&D, a gorgon is a completely unrelated monster, resembling a scaly, metallic bull with a petrification breath attack. :ugeek:

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Re: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by opusthepenguin » Thu Jul 04, 2019 10:11 am

DBear wrote:
Thu Jul 04, 2019 12:56 am
TenPoundHammer wrote:
Thu Jul 04, 2019 12:45 am
There's also a boss in Enter the Gungeon called the Gorgun, but the connection never registered since I didn't know the underlying myth.
In D&D, a gorgon is a completely unrelated monster, resembling a scaly, metallic bull with a petrification breath attack. :ugeek:
And there's a separate monster called the medusa which is more or less the kind of gorgon we're thinking about.

Here's a fascinating discussion of where Gygax likely got the idea for the gorgon being a bull-like creature:

https://rpg.stackexchange.com/questions ... metal-bull

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Re: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by heppm01 » Thu Jul 04, 2019 10:13 am

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Post by hbomb1947 » Thu Jul 04, 2019 10:17 am

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Wed Jul 03, 2019 8:49 pm
IGot FJ. Wonder what TPTB would've done if someone responded " What are Medusae"? :geek:
It would have unquestionably been negged. Medusa's sisters were Stheno and Euryale.

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Re: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by alietr » Thu Jul 04, 2019 10:42 am

hbomb1947 wrote:
Thu Jul 04, 2019 10:17 am
DBear wrote:
Wed Jul 03, 2019 8:49 pm
IGot FJ. Wonder what TPTB would've done if someone responded " What are Medusae"? :geek:
It would have unquestionably been negged. Medusa's sisters were Stheno and Euryale.
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Re: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by AFRET CMS » Thu Jul 04, 2019 1:52 pm

hbomb1947 wrote:
Thu Jul 04, 2019 10:17 am
DBear wrote:
Wed Jul 03, 2019 8:49 pm
IGot FJ. Wonder what TPTB would've done if someone responded " What are Medusae"? :geek:
It would have unquestionably been negged. Medusa's sisters were Stheno and Euryale.
I originally went "Furies," 80% sure that it was incorrect, before remembering that Medusa had sisters. Then I blanked on whether or not she was "the" Medusa or "a" Medusa. If pressed, would have probably written down "the Medusas."

Unfortunately, FJ seems to be binary. I've never seen them give 1/3 credit. Had I had another 30 seconds, I might have dredged up Gorgons. Probably not.
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Post by cthulhu » Thu Jul 04, 2019 1:58 pm

I came up with “Fate” on FJ, then when the answer was revealed, left a heel-sized dent in my forehead. Worst FJ week for me in forever (and it’s not over yet).

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Post by LucarioSnooperVixey » Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:33 pm

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Re: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by brick » Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:45 pm

skrambler wrote:
Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:22 pm
brick wrote:
Wed Jul 03, 2019 7:34 pm
The way this show consistently ignores the ‘okina in the Hawai’ian language is sloppy and frustrating. The words lanai and Lana’i are different words!
Are you willing to give a brief rundown of the difference? That sounds interesting.
Ok... background: Some of the earliest “Westerners” to arrive in Hawai’i were Christian missionaries. Job one is to create a written language, so you can translate the Bible into it. I can’t grab a reference just now, but it is widely believed that prior to the creation of a written version of the languages Hawai’ians, Tahitians, and Fijians shared a common language. Within a generation of the written codification of the languages in different locations the spoken languages bent towards the written versions and speakers of those languages could no longer easily converse.

http://ulukau.org/elib/collect/ped/inde ... r/book.pdf

If you look there you will see numerous examples of words listed one after the other where the ‘okina changes the meaning.

I took screen caps but I’m having trouble posting from my phone.

In any case, ignoring the ‘okina is no deferent than ignoring diacritical marks in other languages. Jeopardy recognizes the tilda, the umlaut, etc... so why not the ‘okina? To me it smacks of racism and cultural disrespect for non-European languages.

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Re: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by silverpie » Thu Jul 04, 2019 4:33 pm

skrambler wrote:
Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:22 pm
brick wrote:
Wed Jul 03, 2019 7:34 pm
The way this show consistently ignores the ‘okina in the Hawai’ian language is sloppy and frustrating. The words lanai and Lana’i are different words!
Are you willing to give a brief rundown of the difference? That sounds interesting.
Short version: it marks a glottal stop (a catch in the throat, as in uh-oh). So the chair is pronounced lah-NYE, while the island is LAAA-na-ee (it is actually spelled Lāna‘i; the macron on the a, called a kahakō, simply marks it as long).

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Re: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by skrambler » Thu Jul 04, 2019 10:51 pm

brick wrote:
Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:45 pm
skrambler wrote:
Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:22 pm
brick wrote:
Wed Jul 03, 2019 7:34 pm
The way this show consistently ignores the ‘okina in the Hawai’ian language is sloppy and frustrating. The words lanai and Lana’i are different words!
Are you willing to give a brief rundown of the difference? That sounds interesting.

Ok... background: Some of the earliest “Westerners” to arrive in Hawai’i were Christian missionaries. Job one is to create a written language, so you can translate the Bible into it. I can’t grab a reference just now, but it is widely believed that prior to the creation of a written version of the languages Hawai’ians, Tahitians, and Fijians shared a common language. Within a generation of the written codification of the languages in different locations the spoken languages bent towards the written versions and speakers of those languages could no longer easily converse.

http://ulukau.org/elib/collect/ped/inde ... r/book.pdf

If you look there you will see numerous examples of words listed one after the other where the ‘okina changes the meaning.

I took screen caps but I’m having trouble posting from my phone.

In any case, ignoring the ‘okina is no deferent than ignoring diacritical marks in other languages. Jeopardy recognizes the tilda, the umlaut, etc... so why not the ‘okina? To me it smacks of racism and cultural disrespect for non-European languages.
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Re: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by brick » Fri Jul 05, 2019 4:05 pm

silverpie wrote:
Thu Jul 04, 2019 4:33 pm
skrambler wrote:
Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:22 pm
brick wrote:
Wed Jul 03, 2019 7:34 pm
The way this show consistently ignores the ‘okina in the Hawai’ian language is sloppy and frustrating. The words lanai and Lana’i are different words!
Are you willing to give a brief rundown of the difference? That sounds interesting.
Short version: it marks a glottal stop (a catch in the throat, as in uh-oh). So the chair is pronounced lah-NYE, while the island is LAAA-na-ee (it is actually spelled Lāna‘i; the macron on the a, called a kahakō, simply marks it as long).
Thank you!

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Re: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by floridagator » Tue Jul 09, 2019 3:18 am

I got officious right away.

Don't expect game shows to reconstruct elements of foreign language that don't correspond to sounds in English.
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