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Charlie Byrd is definitely wrong because there is a guitarist by that name.
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MattKnowles wrote:
Thu Apr 30, 2020 11:11 pm
I'm surprised that "The Planets" was a triple stumper when spotted Holst. It's not the first time that's happened. Just seems weird. The contestants were very knowledgeable.
They were spotted Holst and Mercury!

I also mused about whether Bush 41 would be acceptable (I'm guessing BMS) and whether "What's in your wallet?" would be acceptable phrasing for FJ! (I think yes).
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floridagator wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 1:25 am
Charlie Byrd is definitely wrong because there is a guitarist by that name.
The clue said it was a saxophonist, so someone who says "Charlie Bird" in response to it is ipso facto not referring to the guitarist.

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Linear Gnome wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 1:29 am
I also mused about whether Bush 41 would be acceptable (I'm guessing BMS) and whether "What's in your wallet?" would be acceptable phrasing for FJ! (I think yes).
Same here, or "Bush I" in my case. BMS between father/son feels awkward here, since the clue quoted the son.

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Linear Gnome wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 1:29 am
MattKnowles wrote:
Thu Apr 30, 2020 11:11 pm
I'm surprised that "The Planets" was a triple stumper when spotted Holst. It's not the first time that's happened. Just seems weird. The contestants were very knowledgeable.
They were spotted Holst and Mercury!

I also mused about whether Bush 41 would be acceptable (I'm guessing BMS) and whether "What's in your wallet?" would be acceptable phrasing for FJ! (I think yes).
The show occasionally has entire categories that reinforce the idea that responses that are questions don't have to be amended. Like this one-
http://j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_ ... t=question
If you're still unsure, see Alex's remarks at $400.

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MitchO wrote:
Thu Apr 30, 2020 7:32 pm
I love when it's blatantly clear that nobody involves in the clue has any clue about the topic. A while back they had a question about Transformers that picked a character so obscure that I had to look it up to make sure it was even a Transformer, and I'm pretty sure I could name close to 100 of them.
Curious how long ago you mean by "a while" as I couldn't remember this and looking at the Archive I don't see anything recent that fits your description.

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Fri May 01, 2020 1:02 am
I gotta defend the judges on the Charlie Parker ruling. Nicknames for people are by definition informal and unofficial, and they weren't asking specifically for his nickname, just his identity. So I think they would and should have accepted "Who is Charlie 'Sax God' Parker?" or "Who is the master of bop himself, Charlie Parker?" or "Who is my all-time favorite musician, and OMG, Alex, I'm so excited I get to say his name on TV, Charlie Parker?"
This is basically what I was thinking, nicknames are in most cases not canonical or official so it's hard to flat-out call this wrong. If you google it there are hits for Charlie Parker with Birdman even if none of them are anything that look particulary authoritative.

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seaborgium wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 1:34 am
floridagator wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 1:25 am
Charlie Byrd is definitely wrong because there is a guitarist by that name.
The clue said it was a saxophonist, so someone who says "Charlie Bird" in response to it is ipso facto not referring to the guitarist.
You are wrong. It matters not who a contestant refers to or who they MEANT to say. If they give an incorrect answer, they will be emanciptated of money.

I also think it's hilarious that you think because a clue says a particular thing, that the door is somehow opened to a LARGER number of incorrect answers. It's just the opposite. The more it says in the clue, the more the answer is pinned. For example, if a question which is intended to go for Charlie Parker said, this jazz musician he is frequently called bird. That might leave the door open to Charlie Byrd as an answer. By specifying saxophonist, that eliminates that possibility.
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Here is the closed captioning for Jesse's Laos response:


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MarkBarrett wrote:
Thu Apr 30, 2020 12:48 pm
Game is done: http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=6622

Another Alex & Sarah show in the FJ! round. Alex will miss Sarah.
Me too. I liked Sarah. Wide knowledge base and a very pleasant personality. I hope she makes the TOC.

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I don’t see them taking just Bird. And Charlie Bird gets you a BMS at best or Alex saying “Mmmmm...”. Do you think they would accept Thomas the Hit Man if they asked who Sugar Ray Leonard beat to unify the welterweight title?

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Then there's the classic Smith Barney commercials ...


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reddpen wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 12:28 am
opusthepenguin wrote:
Thu Apr 30, 2020 11:48 pm
(As a side note, did the mention of Scheherazade remind anyone of the time Scott Lord got robbed of his 6th win for using the perfectly acceptable spelling "Scherazade"? Just me? Never mind then. What a ripoff.)
Gotta disagree there--Scott omits an entire syllable.
And it's perfectly acceptable to omit that syllable. There are published sources that use Shahrazad, Sharazade, Scherezade, Sherazade, and Scherazad--all close to Scott Lord's spelling, all choosing not to include the unnecessary middle syllable. And the 2011 Penguin edition uses Scherazade, the exact spelling Scott Lord used. (And if you can't trust the bird....) Here are more details if you want them:

https://jboard.tv/viewtopic.php?p=177083#p177083

tl;dr Scott Lord was indisputably correct and abundantly supported by the literature.

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A Wray wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 1:02 am
I gotta defend the judges on the Charlie Parker ruling. Nicknames for people are by definition informal and unofficial, and they weren't asking specifically for his nickname, just his identity. So I think they would and should have accepted "Who is Charlie 'Sax God' Parker?" or "Who is the master of bop himself, Charlie Parker?" or "Who is my all-time favorite musician, and OMG, Alex, I'm so excited I get to say his name on TV, Charlie Parker?"
That's well argued. I still wouldn't have minded if Sarah had been negged. But I'm now also cool with the choice they made to accept her response.

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jeff6286 wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 2:24 am
This is basically what I was thinking, nicknames are in most cases not canonical or official so it's hard to flat-out call this wrong. If you google it there are hits for Charlie Parker with Birdman even if none of them are anything that look particulary authoritative.
Ok, but I'm drawing the line at Charlie "Birdman or (The Unexpected Virtue of Ignorance)" Parker.

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A quick shout-out for the "Cheers" clue...

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opusthepenguin wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 8:51 am


And the 2011 Penguin edition uses Scherazade, the exact spelling Scott Lord used. (And if you can't trust the bird....) Here are more details if you want them:

https://jboard.tv/viewtopic.php?p=177083#p177083

tl;dr Scott Lord was indisputably correct and abundantly supported by the literature.
Citing yourself is very poor form.

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Bamaman wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 9:51 am
opusthepenguin wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 8:51 am


And the 2011 Penguin edition uses Scherazade, the exact spelling Scott Lord used. (And if you can't trust the bird....) Here are more details if you want them:

https://jboard.tv/viewtopic.php?p=177083#p177083

tl;dr Scott Lord was indisputably correct and abundantly supported by the literature.
Citing yourself is very poor form.
Hey man, Penguin is a respected name in the biz. Everyone knows that.

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opusthepenguin wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 8:51 am
reddpen wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 12:28 am
opusthepenguin wrote:
Thu Apr 30, 2020 11:48 pm
(As a side note, did the mention of Scheherazade remind anyone of the time Scott Lord got robbed of his 6th win for using the perfectly acceptable spelling "Scherazade"? Just me? Never mind then. What a ripoff.)
Gotta disagree there--Scott omits an entire syllable.
And it's perfectly acceptable to omit that syllable. There are published sources that use Shahrazad, Sharazade, Scherezade, Sherazade, and Scherazad--all close to Scott Lord's spelling, all choosing not to include the unnecessary middle syllable. And the 2011 Penguin edition uses Scherazade, the exact spelling Scott Lord used. (And if you can't trust the bird....) Here are more details if you want them:

https://jboard.tv/viewtopic.php?p=177083#p177083

tl;dr Scott Lord was indisputably correct and abundantly supported by the literature.
...and I've been wondering what the typo was mentioned in the original post. Not "Sindbad," I hope...

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davey wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 11:51 am
Spoiler
opusthepenguin wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 8:51 am
reddpen wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 12:28 am
opusthepenguin wrote:
Thu Apr 30, 2020 11:48 pm
(As a side note, did the mention of Scheherazade remind anyone of the time Scott Lord got robbed of his 6th win for using the perfectly acceptable spelling "Scherazade"? Just me? Never mind then. What a ripoff.)
Gotta disagree there--Scott omits an entire syllable.
And it's perfectly acceptable to omit that syllable. There are published sources that use Shahrazad, Sharazade, Scherezade, Sherazade, and Scherazad--all close to Scott Lord's spelling, all choosing not to include the unnecessary middle syllable. And the 2011 Penguin edition uses Scherazade, the exact spelling Scott Lord used. (And if you can't trust the bird....) Here are more details if you want them:

https://jboard.tv/viewtopic.php?p=177083#p177083

tl;dr Scott Lord was indisputably correct and abundantly supported by the literature.
...and I've been wondering what the typo was mentioned in the original post. Not "Sindbad," I hope...
Which original post mentioned a typo? I'm lost.

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