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Couple questions about two 80s clues

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Hi all,

I have a couple questions about some 80s clues, if anyone has time to enlighten me:

First question:

http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=6435

Clue #10 for $1000:
Officially named Catalan, # of tourists each year outnumbers residents here 30 to 1

I could not identify any official reference that identifies Andorra's official name as Catalan (I know the language is Catalan). If anyone can identify a reference please let me know. As far as I could find, even in Catalan, the country is called "Principat d'Andorra"


Second question:

http://j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_ ... ort+walker+

Clue #11 for $1000

Creator of “Beetle Bailey”, whose name was defined in “B.C.” as “a dead nightcrawler”

The answer is Mort Walker, but I could not find any reference in B.C. cartoons that refer to Mort Walker as a "dead nightcrawler", and I can't identify why Johnny Hart, who wrote the B.C. cartoons, would have some kind of rivalry with Mort Walker and throw shade towards him that way. I could be misreading the clue...

Thanks in advance!
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JeuParti wrote: Sun May 24, 2020 10:23 pm Creator of “Beetle Bailey”, whose name was defined in “B.C.” as “a dead nightcrawler”

The answer is Mort Walker, but I could not find any reference in B.C. cartoons that refer to Mort Walker as a "dead nightcrawler", and I can't identify why Johnny Hart, who wrote the B.C. cartoons, would have some kind of rivalry with Mort Walker and throw shade towards him that way. I could be misreading the clue...
I'd guess it would have been a "Wiley's Dictionary" entry.

Technically, all syndicated cartoonists are rivals of each other, in that they're in competition for newspaper space. But they're also (mostly) friends with each other, and I read that as nothing more than a gentle jab that probably would have elicited a guffaw from Mort Walker. I wouldn't be surprised if Johnny Hart sent him the original.
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trainman wrote: Sun May 24, 2020 10:30 pm
JeuParti wrote: Sun May 24, 2020 10:23 pm Creator of “Beetle Bailey”, whose name was defined in “B.C.” as “a dead nightcrawler”

The answer is Mort Walker, but I could not find any reference in B.C. cartoons that refer to Mort Walker as a "dead nightcrawler", and I can't identify why Johnny Hart, who wrote the B.C. cartoons, would have some kind of rivalry with Mort Walker and throw shade towards him that way. I could be misreading the clue...
I'd guess it would have been a "Wiley's Dictionary" entry.
It was an entry in "The Book of Phrases":
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Wow, can't believe how quickly you found that, I thought it was super obscure. Thanks so much!
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JeuParti wrote: Sun May 24, 2020 10:23 pm First question:

http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=6435

Clue #10 for $1000:
Officially named Catalan, # of tourists each year outnumbers residents here 30 to 1

I could not identify any official reference that identifies Andorra's official name as Catalan (I know the language is Catalan). If anyone can identify a reference please let me know. As far as I could find, even in Catalan, the country is called "Principat d'Andorra"
The current Constitution of Andorra was adopted in 1993. I was unable to locate the previous governing documents, although to be fair, I didn't try very hard. Pre-1993 means pre-Internet.
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jeffwolfe wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 5:32 pm
JeuParti wrote: Sun May 24, 2020 10:23 pm First question:

http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=6435

Clue #10 for $1000:
Officially named Catalan, # of tourists each year outnumbers residents here 30 to 1

I could not identify any official reference that identifies Andorra's official name as Catalan (I know the language is Catalan). If anyone can identify a reference please let me know. As far as I could find, even in Catalan, the country is called "Principat d'Andorra"
The current Constitution of Andorra was adopted in 1993. I was unable to locate the previous governing documents, although to be fair, I didn't try very hard. Pre-1993 means pre-Internet.
Previous governing documents dated from the 13th century: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Par%C3%A9 ... rra_(1278)

That said, if someone could dig up a CIA World Factbook or a World Almanac from 1985/6... might be a better reference
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Maybe "officially named Catalan" doesn't mean what we're thinking it does. Like perhaps they meant that the country's official name is in Catalan.
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seaborgium wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 7:56 pm Maybe "officially named Catalan" doesn't mean what we're thinking it does. Like perhaps they meant that the country's official name is in Catalan.
Entirely possible. They were fast and loose with clue text in the early days
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Volante wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 7:07 pm
jeffwolfe wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 5:32 pm
JeuParti wrote: Sun May 24, 2020 10:23 pm First question:

http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=6435

Clue #10 for $1000:
Officially named Catalan, # of tourists each year outnumbers residents here 30 to 1

I could not identify any official reference that identifies Andorra's official name as Catalan (I know the language is Catalan). If anyone can identify a reference please let me know. As far as I could find, even in Catalan, the country is called "Principat d'Andorra"
The current Constitution of Andorra was adopted in 1993. I was unable to locate the previous governing documents, although to be fair, I didn't try very hard. Pre-1993 means pre-Internet.
Previous governing documents dated from the 13th century: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Par%C3%A9 ... rra_(1278)

That said, if someone could dig up a CIA World Factbook or a World Almanac from 1985/6... might be a better reference
1986 World Almanac gives its long-form name as Principality of Andorra.
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Volante wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 8:10 pm
seaborgium wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 7:56 pm Maybe "officially named Catalan" doesn't mean what we're thinking it does. Like perhaps they meant that the country's official name is in Catalan.
Entirely possible. They were fast and loose with clue text in the early days
That works if you put 'in' before Catalan. Maybe they left it out, or maybe it was left out when it was put in the Archive.
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I choose to believe Yoda is asking about tourists/residents named Catalan.
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alietr wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 8:44 am
Volante wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 8:10 pm
seaborgium wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 7:56 pm Maybe "officially named Catalan" doesn't mean what we're thinking it does. Like perhaps they meant that the country's official name is in Catalan.
Entirely possible. They were fast and loose with clue text in the early days
That works if you put 'in' before Catalan. Maybe they left it out, or maybe it was left out when it was put in the Archive.
The wording on the Archive matches what appeared on the show:

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The entire BEGINS & ENDS WITH "A" category was reused in the 1990 Jeopardy! 25th Anniversary Edition video game. The wording of the Andorra clue was changed slightly, though not the part about Catalan:

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I am in awe that you guys went to the trouble of going to the actual taped game and even checking the 1990 video game, and adding screen captures. Thank you!
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Hi all,

I'm back with another question about an old 80s game I hope to get some help with.

http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=4089

Clue 28 for $300:

Of single family duplexes or multiple unit dwellings, what 61.8% of U.S. households occupy

This clue has me a bit confused. Isn't a duplex always a multi-family home? i have never heard of a "single-family duplex", but I understand that the word duplex can mean different things in different countries and even regions.

Thanks in advance for any insights!
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JeuParti wrote: Sun May 31, 2020 7:15 pm Hi all,

I'm back with another question about an old 80s game I hope to get some help with.

http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=4089

Clue 28 for $300:

Of single family duplexes or multiple unit dwellings, what 61.8% of U.S. households occupy

This clue has me a bit confused. Isn't a duplex always a multi-family home? i have never heard of a "single-family duplex", but I understand that the word duplex can mean different things in different countries and even regions.

Thanks in advance for any insights!
Is it possible the Archive is missing a comma? "Of single family, duplexes or multiple unit dwellings, what 61.8% of U.S. households occupy" This would make a lot more sense, having 3 choices. Not that I'd rule out the possibility of 1986 Jeopardy! asking an "A or B" question to 3 players but it seems unusual.
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jeff6286 wrote: Sun May 31, 2020 7:31 pm Is it possible the Archive is missing a comma? "
That'd be my guess, but then the correct response is shown as "single family (duplexes)".
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econgator wrote: Sun May 31, 2020 7:54 pm
jeff6286 wrote: Sun May 31, 2020 7:31 pm Is it possible the Archive is missing a comma? "
That'd be my guess, but then the correct response is shown as "single family (duplexes)".
I assumed the player said single family and the Archivist added (duplexes) to complete what they presumed the response was, under the theory that either the clue writer or the Archivist inadvertantly omitted the comma. Now if it was Alex that added that part, then this theory is mostly out the window.
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jeff6286 wrote: Sun May 31, 2020 9:50 pm
econgator wrote: Sun May 31, 2020 7:54 pm
jeff6286 wrote: Sun May 31, 2020 7:31 pm Is it possible the Archive is missing a comma? "
That'd be my guess, but then the correct response is shown as "single family (duplexes)".
I assumed the player said single family and the Archivist added (duplexes) to complete what they presumed the response was, under the theory that either the clue writer or the Archivist inadvertantly omitted the comma. Now if it was Alex that added that part, then this theory is mostly out the window.
Parentheses indicate additional info from Alex.
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