New old games in the J! Archive

[JayK33]

Thanks for all your contributions, Mark. Much appreciated.

[kingskip]

I was able to get that 11/8/96 episode a few years back by finding Sasha Volokh on Facebook and writing him about it. Unfortunately on the tape I got from him, the intro and first nine clues were missing. It also had the introduced and first round of that nights Wheel of Fortune so probably someone must have set a timer to record it but the time was probably off 2 or 3 minutes. Anyways, I'm glad Mark uploaded the intro to that episode so I can see what Alex said since my copy is missing it.

[MinnesotaMyron]

Well, I couldn't let us all suffer withdrawal (plus I had a day off from work), so I dug through the boxes and found October 8, 1996, from the DVD savoygirl provided of her appearances and the shows following.

http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=5028

Alex and Anita had a nice little dialogue going on. See the DD in Fruit, and FJ, to see what I mean.

Any typos (especially missing s's), let me know.

I work tomorrow (and the next 6 days), but there's at least one more game on here, so we'll see what happens. These 1996 games don't have a lot of media clues, so they go pretty fast.

[MarkBarrett]

Well, I couldn't let us all suffer withdrawal (plus I had a day off from work), so I dug through the boxes and found October 8, 1996, from the DVD savoygirl provided of her appearances and the shows following.

http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=5028

Alex and Anita had a nice little dialogue going on. See the DD in Fruit, and FJ, to see what I mean.

Any typos (especially missing s's), let me know.

I work tomorrow (and the next 6 days), but there's at least one more game on here, so we'll see what happens. These 1996 games don't have a lot of media clues, so they go pretty fast.

Thanks for adding the game, especially since it was a negfest. And how many of TELEVISION HISTORY $1000 went on to work for J!? Anita won just the one game, so I added that to her credit line.

[Bamaman]

That was a pretty ugly game. Montgomery being the first CSA capital seems to stump people more often than it should, or am I just being a homer thinking it is easy?

I put in a few games from S20 last week if anyone wants to see them. I got in the first two games of 2004 along with Christmas 2003. I think I also have all the QF games from the College Tournament. I'll copy and paste more as time allows.

S13 is closing in on 200 games archived.

[econgator]

That was a pretty ugly game. Montgomery being the first CSA capital seems to stump people more often than it should, or am I just being a homer thinking it is easy?

That's Civil War 101.

[MinnesotaMyron]

I have at least one other (alas, partial) unarchived game from April 12, 1988. Returning champ Bob Beers loses his Game 4 to Ron Kerr/Carr. I've got from the second half of SJ on. The source for this is a torrent I downloaded a while back called Jeopardy Megapack Yellow. It's got lots of junk that I'm just now sifting through. If you guys are familiar with the torrent and have everything from it, I won't mention anything else I find.

Well that is an interesting little file, isn't it? Based on the file names, it's a collection of games that are or were uploaded to YouTube. And I've found reference to similarly named "White" and "Indigo" files, as well as one with no color in the name at all.

Partial game started here.

http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=5029

Best guesses on the names. I went with Craig and Carr. You got better guesses or reasons, let me know. The names are too common to get a good Google on.

Edit: Changed Ron's last name to Karr, based on information previously entered in Bob's profile.

[MinnesotaMyron]

Note to self, at the end of that J! round, there was some schtick with Alex fiddling with the flag prop. Go back and type that up, or take some screenshots, or something.

[dhkendall]

Note to self, at the end of that J! round, there was some schtick with Alex fiddling with the flag prop. Go back and type that up, or take some screenshots, or something.

Wait a minute, Alex Trebek, holding a flag? Why did no one tell 16 year old me to watch this episode???

I can't wait for the screenshots!

[Bamaman]

Was he really described as a card counter?

[opusthepenguin]

I have at least one other (alas, partial) unarchived game from April 12, 1988. Returning champ Bob Beers loses his Game 4 to Ron Kerr/Carr. I've got from the second half of SJ on. The source for this is a torrent I downloaded a while back called Jeopardy Megapack Yellow. It's got lots of junk that I'm just now sifting through. If you guys are familiar with the torrent and have everything from it, I won't mention anything else I find.

Well that is an interesting little file, isn't it? Based on the file names, it's a collection of games that are or were uploaded to YouTube. And I've found reference to similarly named "White" and "Indigo" files, as well as one with no color in the name at all.

The Yellow pack is the only one I ever succeeded in getting downloads from. I also have the White, Indigo, and Green. There's been no action on the Green and Indigo and I've had them for years. I must've got a nibble on the White at some point because six of the files are partially downloaded. (The most complete one is only at 23.4%, so they're not much use.) I wasn't aware of the pack with no color.

The Yellow pack isn't the goldmine one might have hoped. I've gone through the whole thing now. That partial episode with Bob Beers is the best find. There's also, as I mentioned, the "minisode" of Keith Williams' game 2 final on November 21, 2003. You said you could get the whole thing from Ronnie's archive. But does her archive include images? The FJ for that episode relies on two images and can't be responded to (intelligently) without them.

Here it is, just in case:

THE 2 YEARS THE FOLLOWING COVERS HIT THE STANDS:

SpoilerShow

What are 1945 and 2003?

[opusthepenguin]

Was he really described as a card counter?

He almost certainly wasn't introduced that way, but that's what we know about him. The video starts at the interview portion. When it's Ron's turn, Alex says, "You earned a living for a little while, I understand, at the casinos. Tell me about that."

Ron responds by saying, "That's right. I was a card counter. I was a professional blackjack player." And that's the only part of his life we learn about. Alex asks if he ever got caught and he says yes. He also says he used disguises. So unless he's a very foolish man, card counting is not his occupation at that point, nor does he plan to return to it.

[bpmod]

Incidentally, Ronnie's site, as best as I can re-create it with the amount of time and energy I have, is back online.

Brian

[legendneverdies]

ANimfan11 has posted the unarchived 10/23/89 episode(Charley Horan game 4) at their Dailymotion page.

[Bamaman]

With the summer flood of new old game ended, I'm moving this here.


Season 13
Missing (31)
September (10)
9,11,12
16,17,18 (Lucien Schmit 2-4)
24,25,26

October (13)
15,16,17,18
21,22,23,24,25
28,29,30,31

Novermber (4)
1,4,5,6

January (1)
23

March (3)
4,5
11

April (1)
15

Incomplete (2)
September 3 (First round only, Bernie Cullen game 2)

Season 14[/b]
Missing (1)
January 1, 1998 (Bill Unterborn over Brent Winter)

Season 15
Missing (2)
October 7, 1998 (Jonathan Silbert over Linda Zusman)
January 1, 1999 (Brian Gillespie wins second game)

Season 18
Skeletons (76):

December 2001 (2):
17 (Featured donation to a 9/11 charity)
31

January 2002 (21):
1,2,3 (Mark Lee Games 1-3)
7 (Mark Lee Game 5),8,9,10,11
14,15,16,17,18
21,23,24,25
28,29,30,31

February 2002 (8):
1
18,19,20,21,22
27,28

March 2002 (14):
1
4
13,14
18,19,20,21,22
25,26,27,28,29

April 2002 (15):
1,2,3,4,5
8,10
16,17,18,19
22,24,25,26

May 2002 (2):
23,24

June 2002 (4)
18, 19
27,28

July 2002 (10)
1
5
8, 10, 11
15,16,17,18,19 (end of season)

Season 19
Missing (2)
March 20, 2003 (Sarah Glidden over David Frazee)
March 21, 2003 (Sarah Glidden wins second game)

Season 20
Skeletons (19):
September 2003 (1):
19
October 2003 (1):
30
November 2003 (10):
3,4,5,6,7
17,20
25,27,28
December 2003 (7):
19
22,24,26
29,30,31

[jeopardyfan87]

Incidentally, Ronnie's site, as best as I can re-create it with the amount of time and energy I have, is back online.

Brian

As much as I hope to see the rest of these games filled into the Archive, it just now came to my mind that although the games from Ronnie's site had the scores at the first break, it doesn't show after what clue # the show took the break. Even though it's almost always after clue #15 that the show takes it's break, sometimes it can be give-or-take two of clue #15. That and the possibility that the last clue could've been a triple stumper when no one rang in. So that part of filling in the games is gonna be a bit tricky for those episodes that ended that way before the show's first break.

[Bamaman]

When I put in the 1/1/2004 game and checked the scores after clue #15, Micah had $600n less than Ronnie gave him credit for. The 16th clue was worth $600 and Micah got it right. I checked with Mark and he didn't have that game in his collection. So I went ahead and made the break after the 16th clue to make it work out.

There were also a couple other incidents where the scores were off by one clue and I had to check with Mark to see what was right.

Ronnie also doesn't have exactly what the players wrote down in FJ. One of the game I put in asked for one of a list of three and again I had to consult a higher power to see what they wrote.

So Ronnie's archive isn't exactly what we are used to. Anyone putting in games from that source needs to pay close attention. Luckily nobody did the Forest bounce in any of the ones I've done so far.

[MarkBarrett]

Happy Labor Day Weekend - I added 11/7/96: http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=5032 to get S13 a little closer to the 200 ep. mark.

My tape did not have the FJ! round. I had my first opportunity to use the recently collected FJ! clues and took the category and wording from there. My scoresheet had the player wagers and results, so everything is accurate other than exactly how the players wrote the FJ! responses.

For S20 and the number of clues at the first break I'll look into listing that number (and while doing that checking the first break scores as well) for the games from that season not in the Archive yet. I have no way of knowing for the games that are already in there which ones come from video sources (so likely accurate) and which ones were lifted directed from Ronnie's archive other than the few Bamaman had me check.

[seaborgium]

My tape did not have the FJ! round. I had my first opportunity to use the recently collected FJ! clues and took the category and wording from there. My scoresheet had the player wagers and results, so everything is accurate other than exactly how the players wrote the FJ! responses.

Triple gets make things nice and uncomplicated, don't they!

[Bamaman]

Should chapter and verse be capitalized in the $800 Bible clue? I really don't know what the proper format is, it just seems like I have seen it done so elsewhere.

I guess the prizes got cut off on your tape as well? Thanks for getting that one in. Good thing it was a triple get, can't imagine what they wrote was anything different unless they were giving a shoutout to their podiatrist.