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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by MinnesotaMyron » Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:28 am

MinnesotaMyron wrote:
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Is the Nancy Dickmann (two n's according to the Teen tournament wiki) the same one who emigrated to the UK and won a series of Mastermind, in addition to many other accomplishments? She looked like she was in her 30's when her series was recorded in 2008/9, and an article said that she had been living in the UK for seven years after college, so being a teen in 1993 makes some level of sense.
Based on the photo on this page and the video I just checked, 99% yes.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/engl ... 112527.stm

Thanks for catching my spelling error and uncovering Nancy's future success!
http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=5819

And the first game from these tapes is in. February 19, 1993, 1993 Teen Tournament quarterfinal game 5.

Fraser Woodford vs. Suj Vijayan vs. Nancy Dickmann.

The contestants played a perfect J! round, every clue correct, and no incorrect guesses. They took that streak all the way to clue 15 of DJ!, not having enough time to work out that the 33rd president was
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Harry Truman
. There were a couple of misses after that, but the players still whipped through the material so fast that they had time to do the full credit roll at the end of the show. "Verification of some material provided by the American Heritage Dictionary, Third Edition."

Terrible clue alert. The J! round Daily Double, SIGNS & SYMBOLS for $300. How many possible answers can you think of?
2 common office machines that feature both of the following symbols:

* #
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What are computers and typewriters? Alex says fax would also have been acceptable. I have to imagine telephone would have been okay too.
In the DJ! round, "Gershwin" was accepted alone, without prompting. Is that the usual way of doing things?

Fact worth knowing: Brigham Young University in in Provo, Utah, not Salt Lake City (or as Fraser put it, "Salt Lake".) (There is also a Hawaii campus, in Laie.)

Clue of the game will be for '92 ELECTION for $1000, what must be this particular fellow's first mention on the show:
Ben Nighthorse Campbell, a Native American, won election to the Senate from this state
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What is Colorado?
Nancy stayed perfect through the whole game, with 24R and 0W. But she didn't trust herself in FJ, and wagered nothing. She squeaked into the semis as the low-scoring wild card.

And for whoever is tracking Wild Card eligible scores, Alex was nice enough to tell the viewers what they were. Maybe this info was already available, but if not, here 'tis.

$10,500 <---Fraser
$10,420
$10,400 <---Nancy
$10,000
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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by seaborgium » Fri Nov 10, 2017 7:28 am

MinnesotaMyron wrote:
Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:28 am
Nancy stayed perfect through the whole game, with 24R and 0W. But she didn't trust herself in FJ, and wagered nothing. She squeaked into the semis as the low-scoring wild card.

And for whoever is tracking Wild Card eligible scores, Alex was nice enough to tell the viewers what they were. Maybe this info was already available, but if not, here 'tis.

$10,500 <---Fraser
$10,420
$10,400
$10,000 <---Nancy
Nancy was the one with $10,400, good buddy.

One of the rare occasions where third place wins in a triple get.

Also, I dug up the sonypictures post on wild card cutoffs, and K703 didn't have any info on Fraser's tournament. (And what we have now wouldn't have suited K703's purposes, since we don't know the highest eliminated score.)

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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by alietr » Fri Nov 10, 2017 8:24 am

seaborgium wrote:
Fri Nov 10, 2017 7:28 am
Also, I dug up the sonypictures post on wild card cutoffs, and K703 didn't have any info on Fraser's tournament. (And what we have now wouldn't have suited K703's purposes, since we don't know the highest eliminated score.)
Can I ask how you do that search, Stefan? I know the Wayback is out there, but I haven't figured out how to do a search like that in it. Thanks.

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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by rmfromfla » Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:14 am

Ok, saving a trip to the Wayback Machine:

1993 Teen Wild Cards:
Fraser Woodford -- 10,500
Patricia Larash -- 10,420
Nancy Dickmann. - 10,400
Mit Robertson. -- 10,000
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Scott Steiger ------ 9,000
Colin Rafferty ----- 9,000. 8-)

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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by seaborgium » Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:43 am

alietr wrote:
Fri Nov 10, 2017 8:24 am
seaborgium wrote:
Fri Nov 10, 2017 7:28 am
Also, I dug up the sonypictures post on wild card cutoffs, and K703 didn't have any info on Fraser's tournament. (And what we have now wouldn't have suited K703's purposes, since we don't know the highest eliminated score.)
Can I ask how you do that search, Stefan? I know the Wayback is out there, but I haven't figured out how to do a search like that in it. Thanks.
Well, now this discussion will have two meanings of "wild card" in a short space.
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Archive.org allows for an asterisk wild card, so you can search for an url that begins with something without knowing the exact address of what you're looking for.

The best I could do here was to search for the url of the boards followed by "showthread.php" and an asterisk, and then just click through to individual results. As it happens, I dug up the quoted link years ago, when I was putting together my "Final Day FJ Wagering Suggestions" thread and remembered that Mark had posted complete FJ results for several old tournaments in that thread, and included the link in a PM to him.

Unfortunately, a) you can't find threads by any text in them because you can only search URLs, and they're only identified in the URL by a thread ID (the number after "t=" in the URL); and b) you can't really find threads by thread ID either, since there tends to be a unique session ID (the 32-character hexadecimal string after "s=") between "showthread.php?" and "t=", and you can't put an asterisk in the middle of the URL. If you're going to find anything, it has to be by brute force. Oh and also, there's no way of restricting these results to the Jeopardy board; the first result of the search I linked is in the "King of Queens" discussion forum.

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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by seaborgium » Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:52 am

rmfromfla wrote:
Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:14 am
Ok, saving a trip to the Wayback Machine:

1993 Teen Wild Cards:
Fraser Woodford -- 10,500
Patricia Larash -- 10,420
Nancy Dickmann. - 10,400
Mit Robertson. -- 10,000
--------------------------------------------
Scott Steiger ------ 9,000
Colin Rafferty ----- 9,000. 8-)
K703 liked to give pre-FJ scores for tied players that missed the cutoff, just saying :mrgreen:

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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by rmfromfla » Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:08 am

Since you asked:

Scott Steiger: 9,500 - 500 = 9,000
Colin Rafferty: 7,500 ÷ 1,500 = 9,000 8-)

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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by MinnesotaMyron » Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:32 am

seaborgium wrote:
Fri Nov 10, 2017 7:28 am
MinnesotaMyron wrote:
Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:28 am
Nancy stayed perfect through the whole game, with 24R and 0W. But she didn't trust herself in FJ, and wagered nothing. She squeaked into the semis as the low-scoring wild card.

And for whoever is tracking Wild Card eligible scores, Alex was nice enough to tell the viewers what they were. Maybe this info was already available, but if not, here 'tis.

$10,500 <---Fraser
$10,420
$10,400
$10,000 <---Nancy
Nancy was the one with $10,400, good buddy.
Im dum. Fixed.

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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by seaborgium » Fri Nov 10, 2017 11:49 am

rmfromfla wrote:
Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:08 am
Since you asked:

Scott Steiger: 9,500 - 500 = 9,000
Colin Rafferty: 7,500 ÷ 1,500 = 9,000 8-)
You used the divide sign instead of plus there, so maybe that should be just 5 after the equal sign?

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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by rmfromfla » Fri Nov 10, 2017 11:59 am

Oops, correction (phone keyboard gives me fits:)

Scott Steiger -- 9,500 - 500 = 9,000
Colin Rafferty - 7,500 + 1,500 = 9,000
(fixed!) :shock:

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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by Cat Hammarskjold » Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:08 pm

I just like that someone wagered to have a score end in 420 back then. I wasn't sure how popular that term was before Pulp Fiction.
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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by MinnesotaMyron » Sun Nov 12, 2017 5:52 pm

http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=1668

An Animfan1 game, July 18, 2002 Ron Ellison vs. Kate Quillian vs. Amy Ellis

Things worth knowing from this ep:

"White ants" are termites
The Igbo are an ethnic group from Nigeria
Cromwell dissolved the Rump Parliament
The Medieval English philosopher is Roger Bacon, not Francis Bacon.

There's also a deep cuts SPORTS IN THE '90s category in DJ!, for anyone missing Sports Jeopardy.

New to the archive as (complete) responses: Kahlua and tequila is known as a
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Brave Bull
, 1987 animated film about appliances was called
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The Brave Little Toaster
.

N.B. Some of the clues from the INSECTS category were repurposed for the writers' strike games of 2008.

Clue of the game, how about...I don't know...QUITE A DISH for $2000:
From the Latin for "sleeve", it's a pasta tube stuffed with cheese & baked in tomato sauce
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What is manicotti? Man- = hand, basically.
Etymology of pasta names is also worth getting into.

Have a beautiful afternoon.

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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by TenPoundHammer » Sun Nov 12, 2017 5:57 pm

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Sun Nov 12, 2017 5:52 pm
N.B. Some of the clues from the INSECTS category were repurposed for the writers' strike games of 2008.
Which games were these, out of curiosity?
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