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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by Mathew5000 » Mon Aug 07, 2017 5:54 am

legendneverdies wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2015 4:49 pm
Pannoni3 AKA MIchael Pannoni placed on his Dailymotion page the 9/11/87 episode, from the last seven clues of the first round through the end. Categories in round one look to be Canada, Dry, Christmas, Seals, TV, and "Guide"
Robert K S wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2015 7:08 pm
More significantly, one of the two losing challengers is Denny Golden, who shares a name, if not total identity, with the winner of the '74 ToC in the Fleming era.

The game (or what there is of it) is now in, here. Notes of interest: the last clue of POTPOURRI was just a continuation of the adjacent category about where presidents went to college, with the correct responses just being the first 6 presidents in order. Apparently Sharon had hit a neg earlier in the game with a response of "Who is Barbra Streisand?" (See AWARDS $200.) In TV $400, Sharon was credited with a response of "What is McHale's Navy?" in a clue just asking for McHale, further proving that how longstanding the rule has been that additional information does not make a response unacceptable so long as the additional information is not incorrect (see debate over the Friday 2015-07-25 Final). Before Final, Johnny Gilbert asked for postcards bearing the names, addresses, phone numbers, and ages of teenagers interested in appearing in the 2nd Teen Tournament. The credits chat took place behind the lecterns, with no thought to proper blocking--audience members only got a view of the back of Den's rather large frame blocking view of the other players. On the whole, the material was much easier than a modern game.
Robert K S wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2015 11:27 pm
I'm wondering if the original recorder of this game rushed to start the tape going once he or she realized (likely after the interview portion) that "Den" was the Fleming-era ToC winner.
Sadly, Dennis Golden (the Fleming-era TOC champ) died six months ago:
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/njhera ... =184576948
http://www.fergusonfuneralhomesnj.com/b ... lences.php

The obit and some of the public-webpage condolences mention that he was nicknamed "The Jeopardy Guy". There's no specific mention that he appeared in the Trebek era, in that show aired September 11, 1987, but it seems reasonably likely it was the same person.

Edited to add: photograph of him at Facebook.

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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by MarkBarrett » Mon Aug 07, 2017 1:33 pm

Shane Whitlock debuted in QF3 against Mark Schmidt & Vandana Madhavan: http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=5760

This gets S12 up to 99 games and I'll get it to triple digits tomorrow.

If only all the games were this easy to Archive with 58R & 1W.

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Shane's mug is already in the Archive multiple times.

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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by MarkBarrett » Tue Aug 08, 2017 1:07 pm

Bryan Fagan played Mark Schmidt & Bronwyn Bedient: http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=5761

This gives S12 100 games on the nose.

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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by MarkBarrett » Wed Aug 09, 2017 12:55 pm

Rand Owen played Gary Westfalh & Ellen Ripstein: http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=5762

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Challenger links:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Westfahl

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1684250/

Yesterday this was the FJ! clue I archived:
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In 1947 Bernard Baruch told the Senate, "We are in the midst of" one of these "which is getting warmer"
Today in a game from 4 seasons earlier was this clue:
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To describe the deep freeze in U.S.-Soviet relations in 1947, Bernard Baruch coined this phrase
Another coincidence of timing was this clue from today's 1991 game:
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Mexican rebel Emiliano Zapata supposedly said, "It is better to die on your feet than live on" these
vs. this clue from the 1996 game I input on Monday:
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In a 1936 speech, Dolores Ibarruri said, "Better to die on your feet than to live on" these body parts
One thing to note from today's 1991 game:
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Rand bet the farm from a leading position.
That's going to be it for this week, but I'll get more games in the Archive next week.

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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

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MarkBarrett wrote:
Wed Aug 09, 2017 12:55 pm
One thing to note from today's 1991 game:
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Rand bet the farm from a leading position.
I tend to be a little more lenient on early (i.e. pre season 10 or so) players in regards to betting, as they didn't have many of the resources we do. (Yeah, I know, math is math, but still.) As demonstrated by the fact that the very first triple zero game - rarer in that no one was tied going into Final - was in episode 2
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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by Mathew5000 » Fri Aug 11, 2017 4:27 pm

MarkBarrett wrote:
Wed Aug 09, 2017 12:55 pm
Rand Owen played Gary Westfalh & Ellen Ripstein: http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=5762

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Ellen Ripstein is on JBoard. In 2012 she posted a link to her write-up of her 1991 appearance:
https://jboard.tv/viewtopic.php?p=20597#p20597

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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by MarkBarrett » Mon Aug 14, 2017 1:47 pm

Arthur Mitchell, Tom Moses & Adelaide Jaffe were three new players after Lynne Wexler was retired: http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=5763

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The Archive is far from complete for such instances, but I'm curious how the victories break down by podium for three new players? Does the person who draws the champ's spot have some kind of psychological advantage? My instincts tell me this will not be a 33% across the board stat. Paging cheezguyty.

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Mathew: Thanks for the Ellen Ripstein link above.

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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by KellyLasiter » Mon Aug 14, 2017 2:32 pm

MarkBarrett wrote:
Mon Aug 14, 2017 1:47 pm
Arthur Mitchell, Tom Moses & Adelaide Jaffe were three new players after Lynne Wexler was retired: http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=5763

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The Archive is far from complete for such instances, but I'm curious how the victories break down by podium for three new players? Does the person who draws the champ's spot have some kind of psychological advantage? My instincts tell me this will not be a 33% across the board stat. Paging cheezguyty.

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Mathew: Thanks for the Ellen Ripstein link above.
That FJ is a little brutal in terms of having enough time to write it down, even if you know the answer.

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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by TomFromMD » Mon Aug 14, 2017 2:53 pm

KellyLasiter wrote:
Mon Aug 14, 2017 2:32 pm
That FJ is a little brutal in terms of having enough time to write it down, even if you know the answer.
It's even harder if you go with
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Bosnia and Herzegovina
...although that wouldn't have been a country at the time. I came up with
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Czech Republic
for the other, which at least is easier to spell. Of course, it wasn't around at the time either.

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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by Volante » Mon Aug 14, 2017 3:13 pm

TomFromMD wrote:
Mon Aug 14, 2017 2:53 pm
KellyLasiter wrote:
Mon Aug 14, 2017 2:32 pm
That FJ is a little brutal in terms of having enough time to write it down, even if you know the answer.
It's even harder if you go with
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Bosnia and Herzegovina
...although that wouldn't have been a country at the time. I came up with
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Czech Republic
for the other, which at least is easier to spell. Of course, it wasn't around at the time either.
Today, you can also use
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Czechia
for the latter (obvious disclaimer about it not being around at the time of the clue either still applies)

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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by cheezguyty » Tue Aug 15, 2017 2:45 am

MarkBarrett wrote:
Mon Aug 14, 2017 1:47 pm
The Archive is far from complete for such instances, but I'm curious how the victories break down by podium for three new players? Does the person who draws the champ's spot have some kind of psychological advantage? My instincts tell me this will not be a 33% across the board stat. Paging cheezguyty.
I found 92 regular-play games in the Archive with three new players (three of those games ended in a tie). The winner(s) came from the left podium 34 times, the middle podium 29 times, and the right podium 27 times.

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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by MarkBarrett » Tue Aug 15, 2017 1:06 pm

cheezguyty wrote:
Tue Aug 15, 2017 2:45 am
MarkBarrett wrote:
Mon Aug 14, 2017 1:47 pm
The Archive is far from complete for such instances, but I'm curious how the victories break down by podium for three new players? Does the person who draws the champ's spot have some kind of psychological advantage? My instincts tell me this will not be a 33% across the board stat. Paging cheezguyty.
I found 92 regular-play games in the Archive with three new players (three of those games ended in a tie). The winner(s) came from the left podium 34 times, the middle podium 29 times, and the right podium 27 times.
Thanks for the research on fresh start players and with the games in so far it's a little more evenly distributed than I thought it might be. I like that it goes 1-2-3.

Here's another in the tally for the center podium with Eric Aranda, Doug Marsh & Regina Jahr playing after Steve Robin retired: http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=5764

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This is how category 6 in the J! round was displayed for something unusual:

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I took a shot at how to note that in the Archive.

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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by KellyLasiter » Tue Aug 15, 2017 1:11 pm

MarkBarrett wrote:
Tue Aug 15, 2017 1:06 pm
cheezguyty wrote:
Tue Aug 15, 2017 2:45 am
MarkBarrett wrote:
Mon Aug 14, 2017 1:47 pm
The Archive is far from complete for such instances, but I'm curious how the victories break down by podium for three new players? Does the person who draws the champ's spot have some kind of psychological advantage? My instincts tell me this will not be a 33% across the board stat. Paging cheezguyty.
I found 92 regular-play games in the Archive with three new players (three of those games ended in a tie). The winner(s) came from the left podium 34 times, the middle podium 29 times, and the right podium 27 times.
Thanks for the research on fresh start players and with the games in so far it's a little more evenly distributed than I thought it might be. I like that it goes 1-2-3.

Here's another in the tally for the center podium with Eric Aranda, Doug Marsh & Regina Jahr playing after Steve Robin retired: http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=5764

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This is how category 6 in the J! round was displayed for something unusual:

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I took a shot at how to note that in the Archive.
Watch out for Demogorgons.

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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by plasticene » Tue Aug 15, 2017 4:09 pm

KellyLasiter wrote:
Tue Aug 15, 2017 1:11 pm
MarkBarrett wrote:
Tue Aug 15, 2017 1:06 pm
cheezguyty wrote:
Tue Aug 15, 2017 2:45 am
MarkBarrett wrote:
Mon Aug 14, 2017 1:47 pm
The Archive is far from complete for such instances, but I'm curious how the victories break down by podium for three new players? Does the person who draws the champ's spot have some kind of psychological advantage? My instincts tell me this will not be a 33% across the board stat. Paging cheezguyty.
I found 92 regular-play games in the Archive with three new players (three of those games ended in a tie). The winner(s) came from the left podium 34 times, the middle podium 29 times, and the right podium 27 times.
Thanks for the research on fresh start players and with the games in so far it's a little more evenly distributed than I thought it might be. I like that it goes 1-2-3.

Here's another in the tally for the center podium with Eric Aranda, Doug Marsh & Regina Jahr playing after Steve Robin retired: http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=5764

Player Pics:
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This is how category 6 in the J! round was displayed for something unusual:

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I took a shot at how to note that in the Archive.
Watch out for Demogorgons.
How about
NMOɊ-ƎɊISԀ∩
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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by Bamaman » Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:12 pm

cheezguyty wrote:
Tue Aug 15, 2017 2:45 am
MarkBarrett wrote:
Mon Aug 14, 2017 1:47 pm
The Archive is far from complete for such instances, but I'm curious how the victories break down by podium for three new players? Does the person who draws the champ's spot have some kind of psychological advantage? My instincts tell me this will not be a 33% across the board stat. Paging cheezguyty.
I found 92 regular-play games in the Archive with three new players (three of those games ended in a tie). The winner(s) came from the left podium 34 times, the middle podium 29 times, and the right podium 27 times.
Don't leave us in suspense. Where were the tied players standing?
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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by MarkBarrett » Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:19 pm

plasticene wrote:
Tue Aug 15, 2017 4:09 pm

How about
NMOɊ-ƎɊISԀ∩
or
uʍop-ǝpısdn
Thanks, I like the all caps version and made the change along with adjusting the explanation.
http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=5764

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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by Jeff-thecdboy » Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:31 pm

Bamaman wrote:
Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:12 pm
cheezguyty wrote:
Tue Aug 15, 2017 2:45 am
MarkBarrett wrote:
Mon Aug 14, 2017 1:47 pm
The Archive is far from complete for such instances, but I'm curious how the victories break down by podium for three new players? Does the person who draws the champ's spot have some kind of psychological advantage? My instincts tell me this will not be a 33% across the board stat. Paging cheezguyty.
I found 92 regular-play games in the Archive with three new players (three of those games ended in a tie). The winner(s) came from the left podium 34 times, the middle podium 29 times, and the right podium 27 times.
Don't leave us in suspense. Where were the tied players standing?
All three times (March 12, 1987, September 5, 1997, and July 19, 2001), the winners happened to be from the left and right podiums.

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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by OrangeSAM » Wed Aug 16, 2017 12:08 am

plasticene wrote:
Tue Aug 15, 2017 4:09 pm
KellyLasiter wrote:
Tue Aug 15, 2017 1:11 pm
MarkBarrett wrote:
Tue Aug 15, 2017 1:06 pm
cheezguyty wrote:
Tue Aug 15, 2017 2:45 am
MarkBarrett wrote:
Mon Aug 14, 2017 1:47 pm
The Archive is far from complete for such instances, but I'm curious how the victories break down by podium for three new players? Does the person who draws the champ's spot have some kind of psychological advantage? My instincts tell me this will not be a 33% across the board stat. Paging cheezguyty.
I found 92 regular-play games in the Archive with three new players (three of those games ended in a tie). The winner(s) came from the left podium 34 times, the middle podium 29 times, and the right podium 27 times.
Thanks for the research on fresh start players and with the games in so far it's a little more evenly distributed than I thought it might be. I like that it goes 1-2-3.

Here's another in the tally for the center podium with Eric Aranda, Doug Marsh & Regina Jahr playing after Steve Robin retired: http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=5764

Player Pics:
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This is how category 6 in the J! round was displayed for something unusual:

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I took a shot at how to note that in the Archive.
Watch out for Demogorgons.
How about
NMOɊ-ƎɊISԀ∩
or
uʍop-ǝpısdn
It turns me inside out.
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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by dhkendall » Wed Aug 16, 2017 11:07 am

MarkBarrett wrote:
Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:19 pm
plasticene wrote:
Tue Aug 15, 2017 4:09 pm

How about
NMOɊ-ƎɊISԀ∩
or
uʍop-ǝpısdn
Thanks, I like the all caps version and made the change along with adjusting the explanation.
http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=5764
I would also like that if there were "special text" category headings (is this the very first?) that there's a link to a screenshot as well. (This is the standard for when it's don nowadays such as if the category heading is a video intro by the Clur Crew or a logo or something like that)
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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by MarkBarrett » Wed Aug 16, 2017 1:25 pm

dhkendall wrote:
Wed Aug 16, 2017 11:07 am
MarkBarrett wrote:
Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:19 pm
plasticene wrote:
Tue Aug 15, 2017 4:09 pm

How about
NMOɊ-ƎɊISԀ∩
or
uʍop-ǝpısdn
Thanks, I like the all caps version and made the change along with adjusting the explanation.
http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=5764
I would also like that if there were "special text" category headings (is this the very first?) that there's a link to a screenshot as well. (This is the standard for when it's don nowadays such as if the category heading is a video intro by the Clur Crew or a logo or something like that)
'I could have done a .jpg tag and linked to Flickr where the image is, but that move has not been received well in the past. RKS can take the image from this post and store it in the proper place and set up the link if he wants for another solution.

I'm moving on to today's game.

David Combs played Jared Namenson & Bob Canter: http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=5765

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