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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by MarkBarrett » Sun Jun 11, 2017 12:46 pm

I cannot make out the city for Judi: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzJUVd ... sp=sharing

Help, please.

I will be inputting a four spot of consecutive games 10/14/87 - 10/19/87 & 4/19/88 this week.

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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by xxaaaxx » Sun Jun 11, 2017 12:50 pm

MarkBarrett wrote:
Sun Jun 11, 2017 12:46 pm
I cannot make out the city for Judi: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzJUVd ... sp=sharing

Help, please.

I will be inputting a four spot of consecutive games 10/14/87 - 10/19/87 & 4/19/88 this week.
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I hear Bricktown, NJ

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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by MinnesotaMyron » Sun Jun 11, 2017 1:06 pm

MarkBarrett wrote:
Sun Jun 11, 2017 12:46 pm
I cannot make out the city for Judi: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzJUVd ... sp=sharing

Help, please.

I will be inputting a four spot of consecutive games 10/14/87 - 10/19/87 & 4/19/88 this week.
I got
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Brookville, New Jersey, since Brookfield doesn't appear to actually be a place, sort of.
ETA: I throw my hat in with Robert, below. Good detective work.
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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by Robert K S » Sun Jun 11, 2017 1:08 pm

I hear
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"Written El--" and then an audio glitch that causes it to be cut off and interrupted by "New Jersey"
for her Johnny introduction and
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Brecksennel, New Jersey
for her Alex introduction.

I don't know if this is of any help (Ctrl+F Judi's name).

Or this.

ETA: After a million more listens I am 99% certain it's
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...which I see is what you guessed to begin with.

This might have been a letter-to-the-editor she wrote to the NYT.

Possibly a Denver obituary mentioning her.

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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by Lore » Sun Jun 11, 2017 2:16 pm

I heard this from both:
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Bridgeton, New Jersey which is in Cumberland County

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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by trainman » Mon Jun 12, 2017 12:49 am

I'm over a decade out of practice as a closed captioner, but I hear the same as some of you...
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Bricktown, New Jersey.

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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by MarkBarrett » Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:26 pm

Thank you for all of the help with the NJ hometown. I went with Bricktown.

I added 10/14/87 with three new players Judi Owens, Suzee Vlk & Bob Imsande playing after Richard Perez-Pena was retired: http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=5672

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(Suzee on her 2nd game)

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The game was one of those typical letdowns after a 5x champ was retired and a Mark special with 14W.

For the J! hall of fame of wrong guesses: BASKETBALL $300: Before 1937, this game-opener was repeated after every score

Suzee:
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What is the "Star-Spangled Banner?" I love to imagine a basket and all the players line up with their hands over their hearts.
Alex mentioned Bob was invited to the Seniors Tournament and was unable to make it. Alex also asked his age (66) and Bob said he was in the Corps of Engineers. This leads me to believe this is very likely an obit for Bob: http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/sandie ... =143107274

For sure this tells of the tragic death of Suzee: http://legacy.sandiegouniontribune.com/ ... 8fall.html

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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by Doogie2K » Mon Jun 12, 2017 8:10 pm

I'm curious about a bit of terminology, the "Mark special." I tried searching this thread for an etymology, but both words were considered "too common," and there's no glossary entry on J! Archive, so I'm curious where this term comes from. (I assume it means any game where a contestant wins with less than 1/3 or 1/4 of the clues correct.)

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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by MarkBarrett » Mon Jun 12, 2017 8:55 pm

Doogie2K wrote:
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I'm curious about a bit of terminology, the "Mark special." I tried searching this thread for an etymology, but both words were considered "too common," and there's no glossary entry on J! Archive, so I'm curious where this term comes from. (I assume it means any game where a contestant wins with less than 1/3 or 1/4 of the clues correct.)
Right you are not going to find it anywhere. I just use it as it's my kind of luck to dig out an old game to archive and sure enough it's going to have more than 10 incorrect responses between the players. It's more work to enter all of the incorrect responses and I seem to have the "good fortune" to run into such games more than ones more cleanly played.

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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by Robert K S » Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:20 am

Yeah and on the older tapes it can be harder to make out what the incorrect responses were. Even if you can turn on the closed captioning and it is preserved on the tape, often it's no help because the closed captioning was pretty bad back then.

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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by MarkBarrett » Tue Jun 13, 2017 1:55 pm

I added Judith Seeger in her first of five games. She faced Lewis Grossman and returning champ Suzee Vlk: http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=5674

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The song in the Audio DD sounded more like the Andrews Sisters than Judy Garland and all I can guess is that Lewis thought it was "Chattanooga Choo-Choo." He should have paid more attention to the lyrics. :)

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Post by seaborgium » Tue Jun 13, 2017 3:14 pm

MarkBarrett wrote:
Tue Jun 13, 2017 1:55 pm
I added Judith Seeger in her first of five games. She faced Lewis Grossman and returning champ Suzee Vlk: http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=5674
Too bad she didn't employ her game 1 wagering strategy in her fifth game.

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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by MinnesotaMyron » Tue Jun 13, 2017 3:25 pm

MarkBarrett wrote:
Tue Jun 13, 2017 1:55 pm
I added Judith Seeger in her first of five games. She faced Lewis Grossman and returning champ Suzee Vlk: http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=5674

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The song in the Audio DD sounded more like the Andrews Sisters than Judy Garland and all I can guess is that Lewis thought it was "Chattanooga Choo-Choo." He should have paid more attention to the lyrics. :)
I like that FJ clue a lot.

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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by Cat Hammarskjold » Tue Jun 13, 2017 10:17 pm

Just out of curiosity, are there any episodes in the Trebek era where someone other than Johnny Gilbert does the contestant introductions?
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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by Ivoryface86 » Tue Jun 13, 2017 10:37 pm

Cat Hammarskjold wrote:
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Just out of curiosity, are there any episodes in the Trebek era where someone other than Johnny Gilbert does the contestant introductions?
Other than the International Tournament held in Stockholm, Sweden, nope those were the only ones that Johnny Gilbert missed out on.

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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by seaborgium » Tue Jun 13, 2017 11:20 pm

Cat Hammarskjold wrote:
Tue Jun 13, 2017 10:17 pm
Just out of curiosity, are there any episodes in the Trebek era where someone other than Johnny Gilbert does the contestant introductions?
I don't think this answers the question you were asking, but Johnny is occasionally absent on a taping day and dubs in his intros later. (In the one taping I attended that Johnny didn't, Jimmy McGuire did the placeholder intros.)

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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by TenPoundHammer » Tue Jun 13, 2017 11:23 pm

That's amazing that daytime Wheel has had 4 announcers in its history, but J! only one.

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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by GoodStrategy » Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:54 am

seaborgium wrote:
Tue Jun 13, 2017 3:14 pm
Too bad she didn't employ her game 1 wagering strategy in her fifth game.
She probably didn't because in her fifth game both trailers could overtake her, whereas in her first game the contestant in second (Lewis) was in the 2/3-to-3/4 range and third (Suzee) too distant to have a shot where she appeared to employ the "Strong Form" of "Pawson's Gambit" (betting to stay above any "small" bet that can't cover your zero wager from second).

(The "Intermediate Form" is when the maximum small-from-2nd bet can cover your zero, but not your maximum PG wager; the "Weak Form" is when second can cover your maximum PG wager even with a "small" wager and thus you're essentially betting on second missing, as Dan Pawson did in his game leading to the term being invented. Additionally Pawson's Gambit does not apply when both trailers could overtake the leader, as in Judith's fifth game. Also a "small" bet from second is defined as one that is no larger than the smaller of A) The maximum he/she can wager in accordance with the 2/3 rule or B) If second has third locked out the most second can wager to preserve that lock.)

Another interesting point about a "Strong Form" PG game is it's a rare case where (with rational wagering) someone who gets FJ! wrong can win over someone who gets it right and isn't locked out or in third with too little to catch up.

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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by MarkBarrett » Wed Jun 14, 2017 1:26 pm

I have added Judith Seeger defending against Neil Plakcy & Berbara Herington: http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=5677

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Alex asked Neil about things he had written and Neil shared that he had hopes of being published. It would seem to have happened:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_S._Plakcy

http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/12 ... l_S_Plakcy

Neil had a miss for the hall of fame at FOOD & DRINK $600: Restaurants are "hopping" on the bandwagon to offer this mammal, the latest trend in lean meat

when he went for a marsupial hopper

$800 in the category seemed a touch racially insensitive: When a Mandarin-speaking Chinese orders "mi", he's ordering this--& he should know

The FJ! clue would have sunk me if it asked for both. I took a quick look at the nominee/winner list and since 1987 only Beasts of the Southern Wild has one of those directions in the title.

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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by MinnesotaMyron » Wed Jun 14, 2017 6:40 pm

http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=1656

From Pannoni, July 1, 2002, Tom Gould vs. Judy Anderson vs. Cathy Whitehead.

Another pretty standard game, from about a month after I taped. Let's look at some of the harder clues and facts from this game, rather than the more common, you gotta know style Qs.

HOW ABOUT A REVIVAL? for $1000: Producer George White's show called these "of 1925" included the song "Beware Of The Girl With A Fan"
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What are Scandals? George White is to "Scandals" and Ziegfeld is to "Follies".
THE SPIRIT OF '76 (the painting) for $400: The artist, [can you name him?], didn't serve in the Revolution, but with the 86th Ohio Volunteers in [the Civil War]
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Archibald Willard
G-MEN & WOMEN for $1600: This existential Frenchman's plays include "The Maids" & "The Balcony"
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Who is Jean Genet? This is actually a thing(s) worth knowing. Those are the 2 plays Jeopardy ever asks about for this guy.
ANNIVERSARY GIFTS for $400 (DJ): For our 30th I splurged & got you this 1971 Janis Joplin album on original vinyl
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What is Pearl? That's actually a tough one for the "top row, what's this category about" clue.
And clue of the game, simply because you don't see circumflexes in clues very often, DIACRITICAL MARKS for $2000
The circumflex in the French words hôtel & hôpital signifies that this letter once followed the o
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What is s?
Winner of this game had the honor of losing to a new 1-day record the next day. When I taped, (a month before this show aired) I was under the impression the record was $39,000, set by Brad Rutter at the Million Dollar Masters. (I was gunning for the record, and so was tracking it pretty closely) And yes, his was the highest score earned up to that point in games that had aired. Jeff Goldfarb's $39,999 was more though, and he had taped previously, so Rutter was never actually the record-holder. They told me the record was $39,999 when I was making my Final Jeopardy wager, but those extra 9s didn't register with me until long after I had left the studio. It thought my going-into-FJ score of $39,000 had tied the record.

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