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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by MarkBarrett » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:09 pm

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Amy Dolenz! You should get that on your flashcards just on principle.
That's AmI (with an I). She is very cute as a genie in the late-'90s late-night cable-TV staple film "Miracle Beach."
Correction made, thank you. Even three-letter common names are something I need to check is the lesson for today as of course there can be variations. I should know better as I know an Amy who later preferred Aimee.

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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

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I not before E?
Except after, see?

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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by MarkBarrett » Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:44 pm

I added 2/16/93 Teen Tournament QF2: http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=6377

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Scott’s first board mention was here; viewtopic.php?f=1&t=189&p=3075#p3075

Note: Chris is Dobbertean not Dobberstean as shown here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeopardy!_Teen_Tournament

Tough year for WC with 10,000 last in. Usually 25R like Scott had would lock up a spot in the semis.

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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by MarkBarrett » Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:15 pm

I added 5/4/94 College Championship QF3: http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=6380

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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by MarkBarrett » Tue Jul 23, 2019 1:38 pm

I added 5/11/88 (Seniors QF3): http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=6382

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Color was not working well on the tape at the point of introductions.
Is Bob the guy that qualified for the semis and was then disqualified? Someone posted something like that about a player somewhere as I recall. Tom Wickham from QF1 was 7400+400=7800 and made semis while Bob at 9800-2000=7800 did not so I’m thinking he must be the guy.

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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by seaborgium » Tue Jul 23, 2019 5:36 pm

MarkBarrett wrote:
Tue Jul 23, 2019 1:38 pm
I added 5/11/88 (Seniors QF3): http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=6382

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Color was not working well on the tape at the point of introductions.
Is Bob the guy that qualified for the semis and was then disqualified? Someone posted something like that about a player somewhere as I recall. Tom Wickham from QF1 was 7400+400=7800 and made semis while Bob at 9800-2000=7800 did not so I’m thinking he must be the guy.
The AP article calls "D. J. Smith" (a business analyst, apparently from Garland, TX) the disqualified contestant, but the year matches up. https://www.apnews.com/96ff37aa0cb424c0e2a294122718a722

edit: perhaps Bob's failure to make the semis reflects a different rule at the time (or an ad hoc rule) for how to deal with a tie for the last wild card spot. For example, maybe they decided that since Tom got his FJ right and Bob didn't, Tom was more worthy.

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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by MarkBarrett » Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:47 am

I added 2/15/90 Teen Tournament F1: http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=6383

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Sg: Thanks for the post above. I checked my tape and I do not have Senior 1988 QF5 in which Mr. Smith would have to play & that would also have the semifinalists lined up at the end. I am also missing 8 or 9 clues from the beginning of SF1 that may have an explanation at the beginning. Tom Wickham is in SF3 so perhaps something is said then when I get to it.

Getting the FJ! clue right vs. missing it as a factor to break a tie is interesting and not something I've heard previously.

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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by Robert K S » Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:48 pm

What is the rule today to resolve last-wildcard-slot ties?

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Robert K S wrote:
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What is the rule today to resolve last-wildcard-slot ties?
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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by Robert K S » Wed Jul 24, 2019 2:28 pm

Ah, yes, now I remember Alex's spiel at the end of those quarterfinals ("...then we go back...!"). Tom did have a lower DJ! score than Bob ($7,400 vs. $9,800), so obviously that rule was not yet in place.

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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by MarkBarrett » Thu Jul 25, 2019 1:23 pm

I added 2/15/93 Teen Tournament QF1: http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=6385

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Scoreboard errors happen although I was surprised to run into one from a 1993 game. On clue 29 of the DJ! round Jessi’s score went from 400 to 1300 after she got the $800 clue correct. That 1300 remained through the FJ! round without being caught. She missed the FJ! clue to go down to 100 after wagering 1200. Fortunately, none of it mattered for wildcards.

I included notes for the problem. Robert, you can advise me if there is a better way to handle it or if there is some adjustment you can make to the game. Jessi's final score is $100 and not the $0 I have in the system.

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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by Robert K S » Thu Jul 25, 2019 2:18 pm

MarkBarrett wrote:
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I included notes for the problem. Robert, you can advise me if there is a better way to handle it or if there is some adjustment you can make to the game. Jessi's final score is $100 and not the $0 I have in the system.
Rather than trying to edit clue values to give Jessi undue money, I think the best thing to do would be to note the discrepancy, as you have done, in both the clue where the error happened and in FJ! I think this is our standard practice for scoreboard errors.

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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by MinnesotaMyron » Thu Jul 25, 2019 2:22 pm

MarkBarrett wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2019 1:23 pm
I added 2/15/93 Teen Tournament QF1: http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=6385

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Scoreboard errors happen although I was surprised to run into one from a 1993 game. On clue 29 of the DJ! round Jessi’s score went from 400 to 1300 after she got the $800 clue correct. That 1300 remained through the FJ! round without being caught. She missed the FJ! clue to go down to 100 after wagering 1200. Fortunately, none of it mattered for wildcards.

I included notes for the problem. Robert, you can advise me if there is a better way to handle it or if there is some adjustment you can make to the game. Jessi's final score is $100 and not the $0 I have in the system.
$900 is a weird amount to get credited. The dollar values must not have been preprogrammed into the scoring system.

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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by Robert K S » Thu Jul 25, 2019 2:24 pm

I thought the same thing--but my understanding is that the -/+ amounts were easy-to press buttons. So something really weird happened here.

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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by MarkBarrett » Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:32 pm

Robert K S wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2019 2:24 pm
I thought the same thing--but my understanding is that the -/+ amounts were easy-to press buttons. So something really weird happened here.
Yes, weird, because by S9 that kind of error should not happen. Thanks for adjusting the wording in the appropriate places to reflect what happened.

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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by jlgarfield » Fri Jul 26, 2019 12:03 am

Robert K S wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2019 2:24 pm
I thought the same thing--but my understanding is that the -/+ amounts were easy-to press buttons. So something really weird happened here.
On that note, I've always wondered what the scoreboard operating machine is like, or what it looks like.

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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by MarkBarrett » Fri Jul 26, 2019 1:16 pm

I added 5/4/95 College Championship QF4: http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=6387

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I added a line to Todd’s bio for his appearance on WWTBAM.

Sandra sarcastically says to Jeff, “Yeah, thanks a lot for requesting this game.” Those who automatically root against Ivy Leaguers or like seeing them fail will enjoy it.

Where does 38R by Todd stand on the list of correct responses in any tournament game?

Today ends the Jeopardy! season and I am going to take a little J! break after the poll tomorrow to work on some other things. 230 consecutive weekdays and 46 Saturdays is a lot of J! posting. Throw in the game archiving and even I can use a week off here and there.

In August I will try to archive a minimum of 15 more games as I continue with the request list.

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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by threearruda » Tue Jul 30, 2019 9:34 pm

MarkBarrett wrote:
Fri Jul 26, 2019 1:16 pm
I added 5/4/95 College Championship QF4: http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=6387

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Where does 38R by Todd stand on the list of correct responses in any tournament game?

Today ends the Jeopardy! season and I am going to take a little J! break after the poll tomorrow to work on some other things. 230 consecutive weekdays and 46 Saturdays is a lot of J! posting. Throw in the game archiving and even I can use a week off here and there.

In August I will try to archive a minimum of 15 more games as I continue with the request list.
That might be a record, as far as I'm concerned (not cheezguyty though, LOL).

Josh Levy's 37 ('99 CC semi) was as close as I could come up with off the top of my head. For teens, Akiva Fox put up 36 in his Teen QF, and Brad's legendary '01 ToC quarters performance saw him rack up 36.

A couple other blowouts I know of topped out in the low-mid 30s.

I'd imagine that those 35R+ totals in tournament play all exist around the late '90s period - that type of buzzer dominance just doesn't seem to happen in modern tournament play (as evidenced by the fact that almost all of the other games I thought of occurred before 2010).
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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by LucarioSnooperVixey » Tue Jul 30, 2019 11:56 pm

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That might be a record, as far as I'm concerned (not cheezguyty though, LOL).

Josh Levy's 37 ('99 CC semi) was as close as I could come up with off the top of my head. For teens, Akiva Fox put up 36 in his Teen QF, and Brad's legendary '01 ToC quarters performance saw him rack up 36.

A couple other blowouts I know of topped out in the low-mid 30s.

I'd imagine that those 35R+ totals in tournament play all exist around the late '90s period - that type of buzzer dominance just doesn't seem to happen in modern tournament play (as evidenced by the fact that almost all of the other games I thought of occurred before 2010).
Roger Craig's ToC QF was also 36R. That was 2011. ;)
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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

Post by MarkBarrett » Fri Aug 02, 2019 2:15 pm

For next week I am lining up the games to archive. When I enter a new person into the Archive I have to include how they did in the tournament. I have notes and of course the tapes while often I find it easier to recall if a player was QF only, semifinalist or finalist by looking at the Wikipedia article for the College and Teen players. Seniors not available is old news.

Today the college page looked different to me with a lot of the player information year by year gone: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeopardy! ... ampionship

while in July I could look at let's say 1993 and see the player names and which round they made it to

Who, what, where, when why?

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