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Bamaman wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 5:33 am
MarkBarrett wrote:
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I added 3/14/94: http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=6637

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I added 3/16/94: http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=6639

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This game now has the earliest appearance for Dana Owens and her famous name.

I like that FJ! clue as I was able use the think time to figure it out while not knowing it instantly.

Amy padded her pocketbook to the tune of an extra $6100 or so while the wagers set up the possibility for the show to put out even more in winnings.

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I added 3/18/94: http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=6640

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That should complete the batch of 1994 games shared on this thread. Next up the (I think it's 12) 1995 games.

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MarkBarrett wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 12:42 pm
I added 3/16/94: http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=6639

Player pics of Amy Fine challengers Damon Darlin & Jim Drumm:
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This game now has the earliest appearance for Dana Owens and her famous name.

I like that FJ! clue as I was able use the think time to figure it out while not knowing it instantly.

Amy padded her pocketbook to the tune of an extra $6100 or so while the wagers set up the possibility for the show to put out even more in winnings.
The amount of potential money that Amy would have been giving up if she had wagered small is why, unlike some here, simply cannot disparage the choice to give up the chance for a triple stumper victory and bet everything or almost everything from second (or well over the MSB from the lead in many cases).

But, I have to wonder what Damon was thinking offering a strong three-day champion like Amy a tie. Unlike David Jacobs from Amy's fifth game, Damon would have had to face her the next day. I understand it is kind of fun to see more money given out. But, after Sara Cox (who beat both opponents who offered her ties) I don't think I would have offered the tie.
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MarkBarrett wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 12:42 pm
I added 3/16/94: http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=6639

Player pics of Amy Fine challengers Damon Darlin & Jim Drumm:
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This game now has the earliest appearance for Dana Owens and her famous name.

I like that FJ! clue as I was able use the think time to figure it out while not knowing it instantly.

Amy padded her pocketbook to the tune of an extra $6100 or so while the wagers set up the possibility for the show to put out even more in winnings.
I love that FJ! clue, but I'll have to claim the home field advantage for that one. I've literally been there many times, since I'm only about half an hour away. It's an excellent place for brunch or dinner. Or, rather, was an excellent place. *sigh* *stomach rumble* Great corn muffins and sweet potato muffins made from flour from a mill next door, and the best lobster pie and lobster ravioli I've had.

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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

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mjhunt wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 11:10 pm
MarkBarrett wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 12:42 pm
I added 3/16/94: http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=6639

Player pics of Amy Fine challengers Damon Darlin & Jim Drumm:
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This game now has the earliest appearance for Dana Owens and her famous name.

I like that FJ! clue as I was able use the think time to figure it out while not knowing it instantly.

Amy padded her pocketbook to the tune of an extra $6100 or so while the wagers set up the possibility for the show to put out even more in winnings.
The amount of potential money that Amy would have been giving up if she had wagered small is why, unlike some here, simply cannot disparage the choice to give up the chance for a triple stumper victory and bet everything or almost everything from second (or well over the MSB from the lead in many cases).

But, I have to wonder what Damon was thinking offering a strong three-day champion like Amy a tie. Unlike David Jacobs from Amy's fifth game, Damon would have had to face her the next day. I understand it is kind of fun to see more money given out. But, after Sara Cox (who beat both opponents who offered her ties) I don't think I would have offered the tie.
Getting knocked out in her fourth game would cost her a shot at $100,000 plus whatever she might get in her fifth game. That isn’t chicken feed and I wouldn’t risk that for another $9,000.

I wouldn’t have offered her a tie, either. I assume he was just being nice, but there is some strategy here. If he offers her a tie in her fourth game, she might be more inclined to return the favor if she had the lead in the next game.

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I added 9/29/95: http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=6641

Player pics of Linda Roberts challengers Sam Hartwell & Gordon Wean:
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Helluva game with 59R and 1W watching two TOCers go at it. Credit to anyone for picking up the one piece of LT available.

Missing a very gettable FJ! clue cost Linda a spot in the UToC though not the ToC.

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MarkBarrett wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 12:52 pm
Helluva game with 59R and 1W watching two TOCers go at it. Credit to anyone for picking up the one piece of LT available.
Here's the LT clue:

She was Vogue's shopping editor in 1956; she had a magazine named for herself in 1989

(You can give yourself a little extra time if you like while Linda rings in with an incorrect response that sounds something like "Who is Leer?")
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Mark, did Alex really not give a first name there? I know they don't require it, but the clue's definitely asking for the woman, not the magazine. So if anyone here tried for a first name, it should be Grace Mirabella.

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The $800 "WHERE AM I?" clue here: http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=5447

and the $1000 "WHERE AM I? clue here: http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=5336

are the exact same question according to the J! Archive. Is this true? Have they ever reused Clue Crew videos before?

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MarkBarrett wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 12:52 pm
Missing a very gettable FJ! clue cost Linda a spot in the UToC though not the ToC.
That's a pretty interesting observation IMO.

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Wed May 13, 2020 1:33 pm
The $800 "WHERE AM I?" clue here: http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=5447

and the $1000 "WHERE AM I? clue here: http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=5336

are the exact same question according to the J! Archive. Is this true? Have they ever reused Clue Crew videos before?
Nice catch! I have recordings of both games and can confirm that it appears to be the exact same video clue used twice. I have to think this was an oversight. I mean the clue was a TS on June 30, 2016 in the $1000 slot. So four months later they rerun it and bump the value DOWN to $800 (where it was once again a TS)? Not likely. So someone failed to move this vid into the Used Clues bin. Or they accidentally had a duplicate and one of them got moved to that bin while the other stayed in Unused.

I don't recall how I did in 2016. But playing the clues now, I got them both right. :D

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opusthepenguin wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 1:19 pm
MarkBarrett wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 12:52 pm
Helluva game with 59R and 1W watching two TOCers go at it. Credit to anyone for picking up the one piece of LT available.
Here's the LT clue:

She was Vogue's shopping editor in 1956; she had a magazine named for herself in 1989

(You can give yourself a little extra time if you like while Linda rings in with an incorrect response that sounds something like "Who is Leer?")
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Mirabella

Mark, did Alex really not give a first name there? I know they don't require it, but the clue's definitely asking for the woman, not the magazine. So if anyone here tried for a first name, it should be Grace Mirabella.
No, Alex did not give the first name.

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I added 9/12/95: http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=6642

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MarkBarrett wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 12:52 pm
I added 9/29/95: http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=6641

Player pics of Linda Roberts challengers Sam Hartwell & Gordon Wean:
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Helluva game with 59R and 1W watching two TOCers go at it. Credit to anyone for picking up the one piece of LT available.

Missing a very gettable FJ! clue cost Linda a spot in the UToC though not the ToC.
I noticed that Linda offered Gordon a potential tie at $23,200, had he gone all in and she gotten it right. Would that have been the highest tie score adjusted for doubled values?

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I added 9/13/95: http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=6643

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Anyone know how to do the -fu to find out who else besides Hank Aaron played for the two Milwaukee MLB teams?

I was with John missing the FJ! clue as I had a bad coin toss. And I had the advantage of seeing the clue before, though coming up on 25 years ago.

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MarkBarrett wrote:
Thu May 14, 2020 12:59 pm
Anyone know how to do the -fu to find out who else besides Hank Aaron played for the two Milwaukee MLB teams?
https://www.baseball-reference.com/friv ... nchise.cgi has this capability. The other two players are Felipe Alou and Phil Roof.

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MtlMike wrote:
Thu May 14, 2020 1:13 pm
MarkBarrett wrote:
Thu May 14, 2020 12:59 pm
Anyone know how to do the -fu to find out who else besides Hank Aaron played for the two Milwaukee MLB teams?
https://www.baseball-reference.com/friv ... nchise.cgi has this capability. The other two players are Felipe Alou and Phil Roof.
Nice resource and thanks for the quick response. Definitely not the teams I picture when I think about Topps cards for Alou & Roof.

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Oops! Misread the post. Nevermind.
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opusthepenguin wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 3:46 pm
bluejaylink wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 1:33 pm
The $800 "WHERE AM I?" clue here: http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=5447

and the $1000 "WHERE AM I? clue here: http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=5336

are the exact same question according to the J! Archive. Is this true? Have they ever reused Clue Crew videos before?
Nice catch! I have recordings of both games and can confirm that it appears to be the exact same video clue used twice. I have to think this was an oversight. I mean the clue was a TS on June 30, 2016 in the $1000 slot. So four months later they rerun it and bump the value DOWN to $800 (where it was once again a TS)? Not likely. So someone failed to move this vid into the Used Clues bin. Or they accidentally had a duplicate and one of them got moved to that bin while the other stayed in Unused.

I don't recall how I did in 2016. But playing the clues now, I got them both right. :D
This is pretty interesting. No one mentioned this in the daily thread back when the second game aired.

I have a vague memory of thinking "this clue seems familiar" back when it re-aired in 2016 (having picked up the Lach Trash both times) but I certainly didn't say to myself, "this is the exact same clue!" There are so many very similar clues on Jeopardy! over 36 years of watching the show religiously it's tough to keep track (without a devoted website).

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MtlMike wrote:
Thu May 14, 2020 1:13 pm
MarkBarrett wrote:
Thu May 14, 2020 12:59 pm
Anyone know how to do the -fu to find out who else besides Hank Aaron played for the two Milwaukee MLB teams?
https://www.baseball-reference.com/friv ... nchise.cgi has this capability. The other two players are Felipe Alou and Phil Roof.
Fun fact: In all their time in Milwaukee, the three were teammates (all three together) for exactly one game: May 31, 1964, for the Braves, playing in Chicago against the Cubs. Roof was removed in the 7th inning for a pinch hitter, while Aaron and Alou played the entire (10-inning) game.
https://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/196 ... HN1964.htm

Roof only played two games for the Braves at the beginning of his career. The other game was three years earlier, April 29, 1961, against the Giants. Aaron was a regular for the Braves, of course, and Roof came in as a defensive replacement in the 9th. Alou was also in the lineup, for the Giants.

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