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Bamaman wrote:
Fri Aug 21, 2020 1:40 am
but even then there are six ways he could have questioned.
How do you figure?

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Robert K S wrote:
Fri Aug 21, 2020 6:00 am
Bamaman wrote:
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but even then there are six ways he could have questioned.
How do you figure?
3! = 6. If A, B, and C are correct answers that you need to supply in no particular order, you can respond ABC, ACB, BAC, BCA, CAB, or CBA.

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MarkBarrett wrote:
Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:58 am
I added 12/13/90: http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=6811

John did not try to set up the tie even though he was retiring. Bad karma? He was immediately bounced from both the ToC and the UToC. John also negged himself out of a lock on clue 29. :roll:
That was just one clue after Gail had negged herself into giving John the lock.

It would have cost John $1600 to offer the tie, so I don't fault him. I only raise an eyebrow when the 5-time champ wagers to win by a buck. Really? That dollar was worth that much to you? But you know, there's a lot to think about and I'm sure not everyone notices the possibility. If I'd been a 5-time champ in that era, I hope I would have thought to offer the tie rather than make the shutout. I also hope I'd have thought to turn to my co-champ as we walked offstage and say, "You owe me a buck." Rolls reversed, I'd definitely pay up. It's too good a story not to take it to that conclusion.

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Re: New old games in the J! Archive

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opusthepenguin wrote:
Fri Aug 21, 2020 9:08 am
MarkBarrett wrote:
Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:58 am
I added 12/13/90: http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=6811

John did not try to set up the tie even though he was retiring. Bad karma? He was immediately bounced from both the ToC and the UToC. John also negged himself out of a lock on clue 29. :roll:
That was just one clue after Gail had negged herself into giving John the lock.

It would have cost John $1600 to offer the tie, so I don't fault him. I only raise an eyebrow when the 5-time champ wagers to win by a buck. Really? That dollar was worth that much to you? But you know, there's a lot to think about and I'm sure not everyone notices the possibility. If I'd been a 5-time champ in that era, I hope I would have thought to offer the tie rather than make the shutout. I also hope I'd have thought to turn to my co-champ as we walked offstage and say, "You owe me a buck." Rolls reversed, I'd definitely pay up. It's too good a story not to take it to that conclusion.
Hmmm, "Rolls reversed"? Bank rolls? ;)

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seaborgium wrote:
Fri Aug 21, 2020 6:29 am
Robert K S wrote:
Fri Aug 21, 2020 6:00 am
Bamaman wrote:
Fri Aug 21, 2020 1:40 am
but even then there are six ways he could have questioned.
How do you figure?
3! = 6. If A, B, and C are correct answers that you need to supply in no particular order, you can respond ABC, ACB, BAC, BCA, CAB, or CBA.
But each has two names, a first name and a last name.

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Robert K S wrote:
Fri Aug 21, 2020 10:20 am
seaborgium wrote:
Fri Aug 21, 2020 6:29 am
Robert K S wrote:
Fri Aug 21, 2020 6:00 am
Bamaman wrote:
Fri Aug 21, 2020 1:40 am
but even then there are six ways he could have questioned.
How do you figure?
3! = 6. If A, B, and C are correct answers that you need to supply in no particular order, you can respond ABC, ACB, BAC, BCA, CAB, or CBA.
But each has two names, a first name and a last name.
Is your point that one could give last name only for any or all of them, first name only for any or all of them (since they're characters and that's usually acceptable), or both names for any or all of them, thereby making 27 different ways to respond in a particular order, thereby making 162 ways to respond in no particular order (and that's just if you are strictly naming the characters)?

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How do you get 27? Wouldn’t it be 18 if each character could be called three ways? (Jane, Jane Doe, and Doe).

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Is this a complete count?
Spoiler
AB CD EF
AB EF CD
EF AB CD
EF CD AB
CD AB EF
CD EF AB

A CD EF
A EF CD
EF A CD
EF CD A
CD A EF
CD EF A

B CD EF
B EF CD
EF B CD
EF CD A
CD B EF
CD EF B

AB C EF
AB EF C
EF AB C
EF C AB
C AB EF
C EF AB

AB D EF
AB EF D
EF AB D
EF D AB
D AB EF
D EF AB

AB CD E
AB E CD
E AB CD
E CD AB
CD AB E
CD E AB

AB CD F
AB F CD
F AB CD
F CD AB
CD AB F
CD F AB

A C EF
A EF C
EF A C
EF C A
C A EF
C EF A

A D EF
A EF D
EF A D
EF D A
D A EF
D EF A

B C EF
B EF C
EF B C
EF C A
C B EF
C EF B

B D EF
B EF D
EF B D
EF D A
D B EF
D EF B

AB C E
AB E C
E AB C
E C AB
C AB E
C E AB

AB C F
AB F C
F AB C
F C AB
C AB F
C F AB

AB D E
AB E D
E AB D
E D AB
D AB E
D E AB

AB D F
AB F D
F AB D
F D AB
D AB F
D F AB

A C E
A E C
E A C
E C A
C A E
C E A

A D E
A E D
E A D
E D A
D A E
D E A

B C E
B E C
E B C
E C A
C B E
C E B

B D E
B E D
E B D
E D A
D B E
D E B

A C F
A F C
F A C
F C A
C A F
C F A

A D F
A F D
F A D
F D A
D A F
D F A

B C F
B F C
F B C
F C B
C B F
C F B

B D F
B F D
F B D
F D B
D B F
D F B

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Robert K S wrote:
Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:09 pm
Is this a complete count?
Spoiler
AB CD EF
AB EF CD
EF AB CD
EF CD AB
CD AB EF
CD EF AB

A CD EF
A EF CD
EF A CD
EF CD A
CD A EF
CD EF A

B CD EF
B EF CD
EF B CD
EF CD A
CD B EF
CD EF B

AB C EF
AB EF C
EF AB C
EF C AB
C AB EF
C EF AB

AB D EF
AB EF D
EF AB D
EF D AB
D AB EF
D EF AB

AB CD E
AB E CD
E AB CD
E CD AB
CD AB E
CD E AB

AB CD F
AB F CD
F AB CD
F CD AB
CD AB F
CD F AB

A C EF
A EF C
EF A C
EF C A
C A EF
C EF A

A D EF
A EF D
EF A D
EF D A
D A EF
D EF A

B C EF
B EF C
EF B C
EF C A
C B EF
C EF B

B D EF
B EF D
EF B D
EF D A
D B EF
D EF B

AB C E
AB E C
E AB C
E C AB
C AB E
C E AB

AB C F
AB F C
F AB C
F C AB
C AB F
C F AB

AB D E
AB E D
E AB D
E D AB
D AB E
D E AB

AB D F
AB F D
F AB D
F D AB
D AB F
D F AB

A C E
A E C
E A C
E C A
C A E
C E A

A D E
A E D
E A D
E D A
D A E
D E A

B C E
B E C
E B C
E C A
C B E
C E B

B D E
B E D
E B D
E D A
D B E
D E B

A C F
A F C
F A C
F C A
C A F
C F A

A D F
A F D
F A D
F D A
D A F
D F A

B C F
B F C
F B C
F C B
C B F
C F B

B D F
B F D
F B D
F D B
D B F
D F B
You missed one.

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I think I missed 12 but I just did that thing you hate to drive you crazy.

My count is 138 but maybe I'm still missing some.

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It would be more if you went with the actresses’ names because you have to consider the following possibilities:

Farrah Fawcett
Farrah Fawcett Majors
Fawcett
Majors
Farrah Majors
Fawcett Majors

I don’t think she used a hyphen when she was married to Lee Majors so the last three are all legitimate responses.

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Nice

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Robert K S wrote:
Fri Aug 21, 2020 1:09 pm
Nice
No fresh episodes for at least three weeks and Mark is out of old games. We gotta do something to have fun.

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Bamaman wrote:
Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:07 am
How do you get 27? Wouldn’t it be 18 if each character could be called three ways? (Jane, Jane Doe, and Doe).
Since there are three different acceptable ways to refer to three different characters who must all be named, it's like a three-digit ternary (i.e. base 3) number. There are 27 values from 000 to 222, hence 27 ways to refer to Jill, Sabrina, and Kelly in that order.

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MarkBarrett wrote:
Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:58 pm
Ivoryface86 wrote:
Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:25 pm
MarkBarrett wrote:
Thu Aug 20, 2020 7:53 pm
Ivoryface86 wrote:
Thu Aug 20, 2020 7:34 pm
Oh, we all can hope Imad Khuri can discover any full J! episodes in his collection from the GSN reruns we haven't archived yet or in the case for Season 18 from the original broadcast(before they went to having the 3rd place finisher getting $1000 and the 2nd place getting $2000).
Is there a list of which eps. from S18 need prizes prior to the cash for 2nd/3rd? It can't be all of them as I know some of the S18 games I did were ones I worked on from original airing and I included the prizes. What may have happened is I did not recall the trips were shown between the first two segments and overlooked filling in the prize spots.

That could be something I work on in pieces here and there in the fall.
Yes, December 17, December 31, 2001 and January 1-3 and 7, 2002, January 18, 2002, January 29, 2002, March 12, 2002, April 8, April 11-15 and 19, 2002 need trips listed.
Okay, I'll see what I have when I get a chance in combination of still planning to deal with more extended credits. It's a pleasant surprise to see it's not a long list.
I do have some of these dates that need prizes

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3rd place Trip to Hawaii from Yahoo Travel
2nd place trip to Antigua resorts pineapple beach

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trips added for:
3/12/02
4/11/02
4/12/02
4/15/02
4/19/02

I don't have the games, or if I have the games, I don't have the trips:
12/17/01
12/31/01
1/1/02
1/2/02
1/3/02
1/7/02
1/18/02
1/29/02

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MarkBarrett wrote:
Sat Aug 22, 2020 11:36 am
trips added for:
3/12/02
4/11/02
4/12/02
4/15/02
4/19/02

I don't have the games, or if I have the games, I don't have the trips:
12/17/01
12/31/01
1/1/02
1/2/02
1/3/02
1/7/02
1/18/02
1/29/02
I sent you a PM with a link to 4/15/1997 that someone uploaded.

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For the episodes you don't have trips of, how about looking at the credits to find out what the trips were for the December 17, 31, 2001, January 1-3, 7; 18 and 29, 2002, maybe Imad Khuri, blanquepage or maybe Chuck Donegan, catnap1972 or even Michael Pannoni(when he gets a chance to get those episodes) might have those episodes in original broadcast versions of the episodes.

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opusthepenguin wrote:
Fri Aug 21, 2020 9:08 am
It would have cost John $1600 to offer the tie, so I don't fault him. I only raise an eyebrow when the 5-time champ wagers to win by a buck. Really? That dollar was worth that much to you? But you know, there's a lot to think about and I'm sure not everyone notices the possibility. If I'd been a 5-time champ in that era, I hope I would have thought to offer the tie rather than make the shutout. I also hope I'd have thought to turn to my co-champ as we walked offstage and say, "You owe me a buck." Rolls reversed, I'd definitely pay up. It's too good a story not to take it to that conclusion.
There's different ways to look at this, none are wrong.

Personally, there's a big difference between winning 5 games vs. winning 4 games and tying 1.

Also, if one magnanimously offers the tie in game 5, that gesture means one less contestant slot for the season. So the favor you do for one player, shuts out one player from even having a chance.

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Updating the prizes list, and it looks like sometime in 2020, http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=320 transformed from a skeleton for 1992 College Championship final game 1 into 1994 Teen Tournament semifinal game 3? And then 1992 College Championship final game 1 got entered as http://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=6723?

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