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Wednesday, April 25, 2012 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by Archivists » Wed Apr 25, 2012 11:30 am

Game Recap for Show #6363, 2012-04-25

CONTESTANTS
Erika Myers, a therapist and academic coach from Asheville, North Carolina
Jacob Silverman, an arts and culture journalist from Brooklyn, New York
Cindy Vanderbur, a health insurance contract specialist from Madison, Indiana (whose 2-day cash winnings total $54,800)

OPENING REMARKS
Alex: Thanks, Johnny. Welcome, ladies and gentlemen. I'm not sure our champion Cindy realizes what a good Jeopardy! player she is. She's won $54,000 for 2 appearances, and now she gets to defend again. Erika and Jacob are here to challenge. Let's see how well they do. Good luck, players. Here we go. Jeopardy! Round. One Daily Double in this round of play, in one of these categories...

JEOPARDY! ROUND CATEGORIES
CITY SEALS (& SEA LIONS) (4/5)
COCKNEY RHYMING SLANG (5/5)
ORGANIZATIONS (4/5, including 1 correct Daily Double)
JOHN GRISHAM TITLES (3/5)
"BEAN" THERE (5/5)
DUNN THAT (5/5)

THE RIGHTS & THE WRONGS
Cindy: 12 R (including 1 DD), 1 W
Jacob: 11 R, 2 W
Erika: 3 R, 0 W

Clues revealed: 30
Triple Stumpers: 4
Jeopardy! Round Potential Lach Trash: $3,000



JEOPARDY! ROUND DAILY DOUBLE
Cindy found the Daily Double on the 11th clue. Cindy had $600, Jacob had $200, and Erika was at $1,400. Cindy wagered $1,000.

ORGANIZATIONS $1000: This international society for smarties was founded in Oxford, England in 1946

SCORES AT THE FIRST BREAK
Cindy: $4,400
Erika: $1,400
Jacob: $200

CONTESTANT INTERVIEWS



Alex: Erika Meyers is from North Carolina. Therapist, academic coach... avid amateur carpenter who has a special kind of saw.

Erika: [Chuckles] Oh, yes, I think it was my dad's proudest moment, the Christmas I asked for miter saw under the tree.

Alex: Compound miter, or just a straight miter?

Erika: Oh, compound miter. You betcha.

Alex: All right. Are you good at it, though?

Erika: Emphasis on the--

Alex: Are you good at crown moldings?

Erika: Yes, sometimes. I need a lot to practice with.

Alex: Yeah, those outside cuts--

Erika: They're terrible.

Alex: --those outside corners are really tough.

Erika: They'll getcha.




Alex: Jacob Silverman from Brooklyn, New York, is an arts and culture journalist who has extra support here today. Your grandparents are in the audience?

Jacob: That's right. They're part of a party of 12...

Alex: Wow!

Jacob: But my grandparents David and Elaine have watched Jeopardy! every day for decades, and whatever else I do in life, this will be the tops for them, I think.

Alex: You're here as a conte--and if you win, can you imagine?

Jacob: I don't even want to think about that. [Chuckles]

Alex: Okay.

[Laughter]




Alex: Cindy Vanderbur is our champion. She is from Indiana. Not a particularly good car driver...

Cindy: [Laughs] No, I'm not.

Alex: But she made a mistake driving that a lot of us might mista--uh, do. What did you do?

Cindy: Well, I don't like to hurt any little critters, so I, like, you know, brake for butterflies and stuff like that. So I was driving down the road in the middle of nowhere, and there was a snake in the road, so I swerved to miss the snake, and I didn't realize that there was brush, and I went--the front wheels of my car went over a little cliff, and we just kind of hung there, and the snake turned out to be a piece of rubber trim off a car. It wasn't even a real snake.

[Laughter]

Cindy: But I wasn't killed, so it was all good.

Alex: Good for you. You're safe.

Cindy: Yes.

TRIPLE STUMPERS IN THE JEOPARDY! ROUND
JOHN GRISHAM TITLES $400: The guilty Travis Boyette makes one to save an innocent man from execution:
"The ____"

ORGANIZATIONS $800: Franz Boas & Margaret Mead were presidents of the American this 15-letter Association
(Jacob: Uh, Philosophers' Organiz--what is the Philosophers' Organization?)
(Cindy: What is the Anthropologists' Organization?)

CITY SEALS (& SEA LIONS) $800: Silent Knight is a sea lion in this California city that used to have a minor league baseball team called the Seals
(Jacob: What is Seal Beach?)

JOHN GRISHAM TITLES $1000: A court reexamines a chemical company-caused cancer cluster:
"The ____"

SCORES AT THE END OF THE JEOPARDY! ROUND
Cindy: $7,600
Jacob: $3,600
Erika: $1,400

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DOUBLE JEOPARDY! ROUND CATEGORIES
ROMAN THE BIBLE (3/5, including 1 missed Daily Double)
SALESWOMEN (4/5)
MILES' STANDOFFISH WORDS (4/5)
THE "A" TEAM (5/5)
QUOTES IN AMERICAN HISTORY (3/5, including 1 missed Daily Double)
METROPOLITAN OPERA (2/5) (Alex: You have to identify the place in which each opera is set.)

THE RIGHTS & THE WRONGS
Jacob: 10 R, 2 W (including 1 DD)
Erika: 6 R (including 1 rebound), 1 W
Cindy: 5 R, 2 W (including 1 DD)

Clues revealed: 30
Triple Stumpers: 7
Double Jeopardy! Round Potential Lach Trash: $11,200



FIRST DOUBLE JEOPARDY! ROUND DAILY DOUBLE
Jacob snagged the next Daily Double on the 17th clue. Cindy had $9,200, Jacob had $6,400, and Erika was at $6,600. Jacob wagered $3,000.

QUOTES IN AMERICAN HISTORY $1200: For working on the family homestead, Lincoln called it "that most useful instrument"
(Jacob: What is a wheelbarrow?)
...
(Alex: He was known as the Rail Splitter, remember? So he used [*].)

SECOND DOUBLE JEOPARDY! ROUND DAILY DOUBLE
It was Cindy who snatched up the last Daily Double of the game on the 27th clue. Cindy had $12,000, Jacob had $8,200, and Erika was at $6,200. Cindy wagered $3,000.

ROMAN THE BIBLE $1200: Cornelius, one of these Roman military officers, became one of the first converts to Christianity
(Cindy: What is a tribune?)
...
(Cindy: Oh yeah, should have known that. Dopey me. [Smacks herself on the forehead] Oh well.)

TRIPLE STUMPERS IN THE DOUBLE JEOPARDY! ROUND
MILES' STANDOFFISH WORDS $2000: If lawyer Miles retracts an objection he made in court, he uses this 9-letter word that also means shy
(Jacob: Rescinded? Uh, retic--what is reticent?)

METROPOLITAN OPERA $800: "Der Rosenkavalier"

METROPOLITAN OPERA $1600: "Die Meistersinger"

SALESWOMEN $800: Laura Ann's Jams sells a syrah-infused version of this classic "berry" jam made from fruit of the genus Fragaria
(Erika: What is raspberry?)

QUOTES IN AMERICAN HISTORY $2000: In a 1776 letter to Robert Morris, he wrote, "Without a respectable navy--alas! America!"

ROMAN THE BIBLE $2000: Mark recounts how Roman soldiers forced this man of Cyrene to carry Jesus' cross

METROPOLITAN OPERA $2000: "The Italian Girl in..."

SCORES ENTERING FINAL JEOPARDY!
Jacob: $9,800
Cindy: $9,000
Erika: $6,200

FINAL JEOPARDY! CATEGORY
WEBSITES

VENUSIAN MONOLOGUES/MARTIAN CHRONICLES
Four-fifths for first place.
Jacob: Wager $8,201 to cover Cindy.
Cindy: You're faced with a legitimate choice in strategy. You can either choose to cover Erika, hoping that you give the correct response and Jacob doesn't, in which case you'll want to wager $3,401 to cover Erika's doubled score, but no more than $7,400 if you want to top Jacob on a Triple Stumper; or bet up to $2,799 and win if both Jacob and Erika miss Final.
Erika: If you think Cindy is going to wager to cover you, try wagering less than $600 to beat Jacob and Cindy on the Triple Stumper; or, if you think Cindy is going to wager small in hopes of a Triple Stumper, wager between $2,801 (venusian, to top a $0 wager by Cindy) and $6,200 (martian, which may win in some cases but may also risk dropping you from second to third place if you get Final wrong).

FINAL JEOPARDY! CLUE
It launched its first offer on October 22, 2008: a two-for-one pizza deal in Chicago

FINAL SCORES
Erika: $6,200 + $2,001 = $8,201 (What is Groupon?) (3rd place: $1,000)
Cindy: $9,000 + $8,995 = $17,995 (What is Groupon.com) (2nd place: $2,000)
Jacob: $9,800 + $8,999 = $18,799 (What is GroupOn?) (New champion: $18,799)
(Alex: [To Jacob] He winds up with $18,799, and the grandparents are gonna be very happy with you, Jacob Silverman.)

Total Potential Lach Trash: $14,200

GAME DYNAMICS
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CORYAT SCORES
Jacob: $12,800, 21 R, 4 W (including 1 DD)
Cindy: $12,000, 17 R (including 1 DD), 3 W (including 1 DD)
Erika: $6,200, 9 R, 1 W
Combined Coryat: $31,000

BATTING AVERAGES
Jacob: 22/59 = .373
Cindy: 18/60 = .300
Erika: 10/58 = .172
Team: 50/63 = .794

MISCELLANEOUS INTERESTING CLUES
"BEAN" THERE $400: (Jimmy of the Clue Crew presents the clue.) This novelty item is, in fact, a moth larva living inside a shrub's seedpod; when temperatures rise, the larva shifts around, possibly to find a cooler place

CITY SEALS (& SEA LIONS) $600: In the suburbs of Tokyo, Leo the sea lion is good at this art form; he's writing the word "rabbit"

METROPOLITAN OPERA $1200: "Carmen"
(Cindy: I'll take a guess. Um, what's Madrid?)
(Alex: No.)
(Cindy: Good guess.)

CORRECT RESPONSES
Mensa
Confession
Anthropological
San Francisco
Appeal
an axe
a centurion
withdrawn
Vienna
Nuremberg
strawberry jam
John Paul Jones
Simon
Algiers
Groupon
a Mexican jumping bean
calligraphy
Seville

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Re: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 Game Recap & Discussion (SPOILERS)

Post by jeff6286 » Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:07 pm

Websites
It launched its first offer on October 22, 2008: A two-for-one pizza deal in Chicago.
SpoilerShow
What is Groupon?
Jacob Silverman: $9,800+$8,999=$18,799...now a 1-day champion with $18,799
Cindy Vanderbur: $9,000+$8,995=$17,995
Erika Myers: $6,200+2,001=$8,201
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Post by thenextofken » Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:10 pm

Embarrassed to admit this, but I've never even heard of Groupon. And no, TPH has not hijacked my sn. :)

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Post by TenPoundHammer » Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:28 pm

Thought the Seal category would get my at least something given my affinity for aquatic life, but I just couldn't make heads or flippers of the clues:

* I forget the name of the park, but it didn't sound remotely familiar or Orlando-esque.
* When Central Park Zoo came up, my thought process: "Oh, that zoo in Central Park. What's it called?"
* Was thinking calligraphy on the seal with the brush, but the fact that it was Chinese had me thinking it might be something else.
* The other two just named towns I'd never heard of before or something.

Strawberry jam is more obvious than any other berry? News to me.

Also, what the hell is Groupon?
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Post by xxaaaxx » Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:28 pm

thenextofken wrote:Embarrassed to admit this, but I've never even heard of Groupon. And no, TPH has not hijacked my sn. :)
I hadn't heard of it either, until that godawful Super Bowl ad a couple of years ago. Because of that, instaget FJ.

Another promising champ bites the dust. Oh well, I was hoping she'd last for a while.

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Post by heelsrule1988 » Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:29 pm

thenextofken wrote:Embarrassed to admit this, but I've never even heard of Groupon. And no, TPH has not hijacked my sn. :)
TenPoundHammer wrote:Also, what the hell is Groupon?
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Post by Austin Powers » Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:30 pm

I love how Jimmy does the "sciency" question on the Mexican Jumping Bean in front of these diagrams of DNA and such, because he is doing SCIENCE.

Really painful DJ round. Things felt more academic today and it showed. Oddly, I was just reading about "The Italian Girl in Algiers" today, but I couldn't tell you the first thing about it, so a pretty obscure question. As with most "short" questions, the players could benefit from a TOM to direct them.

The champ cost herself with the late DD bet. On one hand it would have made it difficult for the guy to comeback. On the other, I don't think she knew the category very well.

The FJ will be a high get rate, I suspect. I mean, what else could it be (TPH?)? The "what was the first Groupon?" was a question on WWTBAM this year, for a pretty high value if I recall correctly.

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Post by Austin Powers » Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:32 pm

I'll actually come into TPH's defense and say that, if you live in a small town, you're not going to have Groupon most likely. But then you also don't get to see "Don Giovanni" much and yet people know that, too.

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Post by thejeopardyfan » Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:32 pm

Austin Powers wrote:The FJ will be a high get rate, I suspect. I mean, what else could it be (TPH?)?
I've heard of it, but I don't know what it is. I said "Craigslist" even though I was pretty sure it was wrong.
Austin Powers wrote:I'll actually come into TPH's defense and say that, if you live in a small town, you're not going to have Groupon most likely.
But if it's a website...? Okay, I guess I have to ask what it is! :)
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Post by TenPoundHammer » Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:33 pm

Austin Powers wrote:I'll actually come into TPH's defense and say that, if you live in a small town, you're not going to have Groupon most likely.
Just checked it now. Nearest city it's compatible with is Lansing. And I'm not going there just for pizza.

Cheerwine, on the other hand…

(Also, what was the park named in Seals for $200?)

Finally, a live weather expo in place of Wheel? Dear God, WNEM, you guys have a weather FETISH.
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Post by Austin Powers » Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:46 pm

thejeopardyfan wrote:
Austin Powers wrote:The FJ will be a high get rate, I suspect. I mean, what else could it be (TPH?)?
I've heard of it, but I don't know what it is. I said "Craigslist" even though I was pretty sure it was wrong.
Austin Powers wrote:I'll actually come into TPH's defense and say that, if you live in a small town, you're not going to have Groupon most likely.
But if it's a website...? Okay, I guess I have to ask what it is! :)
It's a curiously unworkable business model where vendors, restaurants, etc sell massively discounted coupons under certain conditions. Say, $10 for $25 off at the tapas (don't ask, TPH) place, 1/3 off a spa day, etc. The idea is you'll buy them and never use them, and so that money you paid for the discount is split between the vendor and Groupon. Now, if you do use the coupon, the vendor is short that. Or something like that.
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Post by sherder » Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:58 pm

Austin Powers wrote:
thejeopardyfan wrote:
Austin Powers wrote:The FJ will be a high get rate, I suspect. I mean, what else could it be (TPH?)?
I've heard of it, but I don't know what it is. I said "Craigslist" even though I was pretty sure it was wrong.
Austin Powers wrote:I'll actually come into TPH's defense and say that, if you live in a small town, you're not going to have Groupon most likely.
But if it's a website...? Okay, I guess I have to ask what it is! :)
It's a curiously unworkable business model where vendors, restaurants, etc sell massively discounted coupons under certain conditions. Say, $10 for $25 off at the tapas (don't ask, TPH) place, 1/3 off a spay day, etc. The idea is you'll buy them and never use them, and so that money you paid for the discount is split between the vendor and Groupon. Now, if you do use the coupon, the vendor is short that. Or something like that.
Or you buy one for a bookstore and end up spending much more than the value of the Groupon, so they make a bit off of the extra sales. I don't know that it is enough to make up for the difference in offering the coupon.
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Post by alamble » Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:59 pm

TenPoundHammer wrote:
(Also, what was the park named in Seals for $200?)
Sea World. Your choices, when spotted "Sea World" are either A. Orlando; or B. San Diego. Given they were asking for a city in Florida, Orlando's your answer.

Instaget Final. Doesn't hurt that my cousin works for Groupon and the company remains headquartered in Chicago.

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Post by Bamaman » Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:00 pm

I have heard of Groupon, but have no idea what they do or how it works. My guess was e-bay.

TPH has never heard of San Francisco?

I thought the Cockney category was going to be a rhyme time deal and never got on track in that one.

Sorry, but I'm glad the champ lost. Her mannerisms really got on my nerves tonight.

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Post by jeff6286 » Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:03 pm

TenPoundHammer wrote: (Also, what was the park named in Seals for $200?)
It's called Sea World, and it is quite well known. Also, the seal in the suburb of Tokyo was more than likely writing in Japanese, not Chinese. Also, the city you'd never heard of in the $800 clue was a tiny burg called San Francisco, California. Rockport, Maine for $1,000 I would be a little more forgiving of.

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Post by MexiKen » Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:05 pm

Austin Powers wrote:
thejeopardyfan wrote:
Austin Powers wrote:The FJ will be a high get rate, I suspect. I mean, what else could it be (TPH?)?
I've heard of it, but I don't know what it is. I said "Craigslist" even though I was pretty sure it was wrong.
Austin Powers wrote:I'll actually come into TPH's defense and say that, if you live in a small town, you're not going to have Groupon most likely.
But if it's a website...? Okay, I guess I have to ask what it is! :)
It's a curiously unworkable business model where vendors, restaurants, etc sell massively discounted coupons under certain conditions. Say, $10 for $25 off at the tapas (don't ask, TPH) place, 1/3 off a spay day, etc. The idea is you'll buy them and never use them, and so that money you paid for the discount is split between the vendor and Groupon. Now, if you do use the coupon, the vendor is short that. Or something like that.
Er... kind of. The idea is that the profit margin that the vendor sacrifices on going into the Groupon is made up by the fact that they increase their volume substantially. Instead of 10 people buying tapas from me tonight for $250 (10 x $25), 40 buy tapas from me tonight for $400 (40 x $10). This particularly benefits vendors who encounter waste if they're not "full" - eg. a hairdresser would rather have a heavily discounted appointment in their 1:00pm slot than no one at all.

It also encourages someone who thinks they might like tapas but isn't sure to give it a shot. I'm unlikely to give it a whirl at $25, but at $10 I'll give it a try - and maybe I'll like it so much that I'll come back for full price for the rest of the year.

Not sure how the revenue model works for Groupon but I would have to assume that they take a percentage of the total revenue garnered by the revenue that the vendor receives. Essentially, a buying group for the common man. I agree that it is a shaky business at best.

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Post by TenPoundHammer » Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:06 pm

I don't remember the exact phrase "Sea World" being in $200. And whatever the path to San Fran was in $800, I had never heard of whatever was supposed to lead you there (and the contestants triple stumped it too). That's what I meant.
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Post by jeff6286 » Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:15 pm

TenPoundHammer wrote:I don't remember the exact phrase "Sea World" being in $200. And whatever the path to San Fran was in $800, I had never heard of whatever was supposed to lead you there (and the contestants triple stumped it too). That's what I meant.
Maybe you receive an alternate feed of the show that is missing bits and pieces of various clues. That would explain why so many of the clues seem downright incomprehensible to you on a daily basis. Do you watch the show live, or do you have access to a DVR or VCR? A great way to learn might be to write down every clue that you fail to answer, or terms in each clue that you're not familiar with. Then you could look them up yourself and try to learn a bit about them, instead of having to ask on this board for someone to explain them to you.

How in the heck am I expected to know that for $400?
I had never heard of this, this, and this.
What was that one thing that they mentioned in that one clue?
What the hell is groupon?
Sea World doesn't sound remotely familiar to me.

These comments/questions are incredibly annoying. I know that you know this, and you don't care, but here it is anyway.

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Post by TenPoundHammer » Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:19 pm

In all seriousness, what was the exact wording of that Sea World clue?

Also, I do have a DVR, but the living room was in use by my very chatty mother and her very dense friend who needs everything explained to him 26 times (cough), so I had to watch it in the bedroom.
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