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Game Recap for Show #6370, 2012-05-04

2012 Teen Tournament quarterfinal game 5.

CONTESTANTS
Rob Schrader, a junior from Lexington, Kentucky
Gabriela Gonzales, a senior from Winston-Salem, North Carolina
Evan Eschliman, a sophomore from Olathe, Kansas

OPENING REMARKS
Alex:
Thank you, Johnny.
Thank you, ladies and gentlemen.
Rob, gabriela, Evan, welcome to the last of our quarterfinal matches.
We have a very special guest going to be doing clues for us today, so let's get right to this first round, shall we?
The Jeopardy! Round with the one Daily Double, and here are the categories...

JEOPARDY! ROUND CATEGORIES
MICHELLE OBAMA'S AMERICAN GROWN (5/5) (Alex: All the clues will be given by the First Lady.)
HOW MANY YEARS? (4/5)
HISTORY (5/5)
NICE "AB"s (5/5) (Alex: Each correct repsonse will begin with those 2 letters of the alphabet.)
TEAM NICKNAMES BY CITY (5/5)
KNOW YOUR STATE BORDERS! (5/5, including 1 correct Daily Double)

THE RIGHTS & THE WRONGS
Evan: 15 R (including 1 DD), 2 W
Gabriela: 9 R (including 3 rebounds), 0 W
Rob: 6 R, 3 W

Clues revealed: 30
Triple Stumpers: 1
Jeopardy! Round Potential Lach Trash: $1,000



JEOPARDY! ROUND DAILY DOUBLE
Evan found the Daily Double on the 7th clue. Evan had $2,400, Gabriela had $800, and Rob had nothing in the bank. Evan made it a True Daily Double, wagering $2,400.

KNOW YOUR STATE BORDERS! $400: Hannah['s leaving Montana heading east into this state that borders Canada

SCORES AT THE FIRST BREAK
Evan: $7,600
Gabriela: $2,800
Rob: -$200

CONTESTANT INTERVIEWS



Alex: I'm a little bit confused about some information regarding Rob Schrader, who is 17 years old. He's a junior from Kentucky, and you were building homes in Guatemala?

Rob: Yes, sir. Uh, it was at--

Alex: Sounds like a church project.

Rob: Yes. It was a mission trip down to Guatemala, and it was actually a, uh, very strenuous project.

Alex: I can imagine.

Rob: Yes, we--I was, for instance, cutting cinder blocks with a dull machete.

Alex: A machete?

Rob: Yes. Yeah, it was--

Alex: One slice at a time?

Rob: Just... [imitates whoosh] Just whack it.

Alex: And it works? A perfect cut every time?

Rob: Uh, not exactly. I had to do it several times. I wasn't quite the pro. [Chuckles]

Alex: Okay. Well, good for you.




Alex: Gabriela Gonzales--a senior from North Carolina, a senior at calvary Baptist who--we have a good story and a bad story here. You saved your sister's life how?

Gabriela: Um, yes. She was choking on a Teletubby window decal, and I reached down her throat to pull it out, and then I was glad--yay!--she was alive!--but then she threw up all over me, and it was awful. It was awful.

Alex: Okay. That's the bad side. [Laughs]




Alex: Evan Eschliman from Olathe, Kansas. You attended a 4-H congress this past summer?

Evan: Uh, this is--this is true. In Atlanta, and it was a lot of fun, so...

Alex: Yeah? And you're a member of 4-H.

Evan: Yes.

Alex: And are you raising, uh, an animal?

Evan: Uh, actually, I don't do any livestock, but I do...

Alex: Oh, you don't? What do you do?

Evan: Just about everything else.

Alex: [Chuckles] Everything else but the livestock.

Evan: Yeah.

TRIPLE STUMPERS IN THE JEOPARDY! ROUND
HOW MANY YEARS? $1000: Sesquicentennial
(Evan: What is 50?)

SCORES AT THE END OF THE JEOPARDY! ROUND
Evan: $8,600
Gabriela: $6,000
Rob: $1,400

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DOUBLE JEOPARDY! ROUND CATEGORIES
BODY PARTS EN ESPAÑOL (5/5)
CROSSWORD CLUES "Q" (5/5)
ACTION & INACTION MOVIES (5/5)
BIBLICAL PEOPLE (5/5, including 1 correct Daily Double)
ALL WE NEED IS A TITLE (4/5)
AT THE MALL (4/5, including 1 missed Daily Double)

THE RIGHTS & THE WRONGS
Rob: 12 R (including 2 rebounds), 1 W (including 1 DD)
Gabriela: 10 R (including 1 DD), 0 W
Evan: 6 R, 2 W

Clues revealed: 30
Triple Stumpers: 1
Double Jeopardy! Round Potential Lach Trash: $1,600



FIRST DOUBLE JEOPARDY! ROUND DAILY DOUBLE
Gabriela snagged the next Daily Double on the 9th clue. Evan had $7,800, Gabriela had $7,600, and Rob was at $7,000. Gabriela wagered $2,200.

BIBLICAL PEOPLE $1600: This shepherd became King Saul's personal musician & armor bearer

SECOND DOUBLE JEOPARDY! ROUND DAILY DOUBLE
It was Rob who snatched up the last Daily Double of the game on the 24th clue. Evan had $12,600, Gabriela had $13,800, and Rob was at $13,000. Rob wagered $2,000.

AT THE MALL $1600: Get a birthday card for mom at this store chain founded in 1950 & named for an early form of paper
(Rob: What is Hallmark?)

TRIPLE STUMPERS IN THE DOUBLE JEOPARDY! ROUND
ALL WE NEED IS A TITLE $1600: Thomas Hardy's "The M of C"

SCORES ENTERING FINAL JEOPARDY!
Gabriela: $20,600
Evan: $13,800
Rob: $11,000

PREFINAL REMARKS
(Michelle Obama delivers a footnote after the Jeopardy! round.) We didn't arrive at a moment where nearly 1 in 3 of our kids are overweight and obese overnight. It took 3 decades for obesity rates in the United States to triple. We can't expect to find some quick fix or magic pill that will change us back overnight. It's gonna take all of us--parents and teachers, community leaders, medical professionals, and others, all working together on behalf of our children, and that's why I started Let's Move, a nationwide effort to help our kids lead healthier and more active lives, and that's why I wrote my first book, American Grown, to highlight community solutions to the challenge of childhood obesity, because I know that together, with passion, determination, and hard work, we can solve this challenge and we can give our kids the happy, healthy futures they deserve.

FINAL JEOPARDY! CATEGORY
THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION

VENUSIAN MONOLOGUES/MARTIAN CHRONICLES
Two-thirds for first place. Stratton's Dilemma.
Gabriela: Wager $7,001 to cover Evan.
Evan: You ought to wager to cover Rob, but since you cannot win on a Triple Stumper if you do so, you should choose between wagering $0 and maximizing your winnings by betting all $13,800. You are in Stratton's Dilemma, calling for a wager of more than $8,200 (to shut out Rob) or less than $200 (risking the possibility of being passed from behind by Rob). Go with the smaller bet if you believe a Triple Stumper is more likely than a singleton miss by Gabriela.
Rob: Considering that you're going to lose on a Triple Stumper by at least $2,600, you need to bet either $2,801, and play for a win if Evan tries to two-thirds Gabriela, or bet at least $9,601 to cover Gabriela's $0 bet (though, from this position, a wager of all $11,000 is acceptable and perhaps preferred).

FINAL JEOPARDY! CLUE
In 1777 an opponent wrote of him "money is this man's god, and to get enough of it he would sacrifice his country"

FINAL SCORES
Rob: $11,000 - $11,000 = $0 (Who was Hamilton?) (3rd place: $5,000 if eliminated)
Evan: $13,800 - $1,200 = $12,600 (Who is Alexander Hamilton?) (Automatic semifinalist)
Gabriela: $20,600 - $8,000 = $12,600 (Who Alexander Hamilton?) (2nd place: $5,000 if eliminated)
[upon the reveal of Gabriela's wager:]

(Alex: That leaves you with $12,600, and what that means is that, for the first time in many, many years, we have a tie in a tournament, and that means we're gonna have to go to a tiebreaker clue, but we are ready for that. The rule is very simple. You have to be the first one to ring in with a correct response. You cannot win by default. Pick up your signaling devices. )

Total Potential Lach Trash: $2,600

GAME DYNAMICS
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CORYAT SCORES
Gabriela: $20,000, 19 R (including 1 DD), 0 W
Rob: $13,000, 18 R, 4 W (including 1 DD)
Evan: $11,800, 21 R (including 1 DD), 4 W
Combined Coryat: $44,800

BATTING AVERAGES
Evan: 21/59 = .356
Gabriela: 19/59 = .322
Rob: 18/59 = .305
Team: 58/63 = .921

MISCELLANEOUS INTERESTING CLUES
NICE "AB"s $800: Servile or wretched, like poverty
(Alex: [*] poverty, right.)

KNOW YOUR STATE BORDERS! $200: On this state! Specifically, on this state's northeastern border, it's Michigan's Upper Peninsula!
(Alex: That's the state!)

KNOW YOUR STATE BORDERS! $600: Heading over Delaware's southern border? See you in this state
(Rob: What is Pennsylvania?)
...
(Alex: [*] is the state.)

KNOW YOUR STATE BORDERS! $800: By the time you get to Phoenix, & then go over Arizona's northern border to this state, you've driven a long way
(Evan: What is Nevada?)
[Originally ruled incorrect, reversed during interviews at first break because "there's a little part of Arizona that, uh, touches on a state other than Utah".]

KNOW YOUR STATE BORDERS! $1000: A majority of Wyoming's western border is with this state
(Rob: What is Oregon?)

MICHELLE OBAMA'S AMERICAN GROWN $200: (Michelle Obama delivers the clue.) As a reminder of a balanced diet, the icon called my pyramid has been replaced by a new icon called mi plato, or this in English

MICHELLE OBAMA'S AMERICAN GROWN $400: (Michelle Obama delivers the clue.) In December 2010 at an elementary school, I attended the signing of a law funding & improving the nutrition of food served through a 64-year-old program named for this daily meal

MICHELLE OBAMA'S AMERICAN GROWN $600: (Michelle Obama delivers the clue.) Community gardens like those at the White House allow children to plant & harvest fresh fruits & veggies. In 2009 a formal farm to school initiative was established by this Cabinet department
(Evan: What is the Department of Education?)
(Rob: What is the FDA?)

MICHELLE OBAMA'S AMERICAN GROWN $800: (MIchelle Obama delivers the clue.) Vegetables with benefits you might not know about include this one with an orange interior sometimes confused with a yam. It has more fiber than oatmeal, four times your RDA of beta keratine, and happens to be the favorite of the leader of the Free World

MICHELLE OBAMA'S AMERICAN GROWN $1000: [We're learning about the President.]
(Michelle Obama delivers the clue.) In May 2011 I gave seeds & plants from Monticello, Mount Vernon & the White House in addition to White House honey to this prince of Wales & fellow gardening enthusiast

ACTION & INACTION MOVIES $400: Fozzie's casino-ing in Reno & Animal's Animal-ing in Santa Barbara in this 2011 movie
(Evan: What is The Muppet Movie?)

(Alex: Yes. No. Sorry.)

ACTION & INACTION MOVIES $1600: In 2012 the artists formerly known as The Rock was rolling in this "2: The Mysterious Island"
(Evan: What is Incredible Journey?)

AT THE MALL $400: It's not "off the wall" to want a pair of this brand's original slip-on skate shoes

CORRECT RESPONSES
North Dakota
150
David
Papyrus
The Mayor of Casterbridge
Benedict Arnold
abject
Wisconsin
Maryland
Utah (Nevada accepted)
Idaho
my plate
lunch
the Department of Agriculture
a sweet potato
Prince Charles
The Muppets

Journey
Vans

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The American Revolution
In 1777 an opponent wrote of him, "Money is this man's God, and to get enough of it he would sacrifice his country."
Spoiler
Who is Benedict Arnold? All 3 players said Alexander Hamilton.
Spoiler
Gabriela Gonzales: $20,600-$8,000=$12,600*
Evan Eschliman: $13,800-$1,200=$12,600*
Rob Schrader: $11,000-$11,000=$0

*Gabriela and Evan then went to a tiebreaker clue to decide the game:
Spoiler

Literary Characters

Although he doesn't actually appear in "1984", his presence is everywhere--on posters, coins, & telescreens.
Spoiler
Evan rang in first and responded correctly with "Who is Big Brother?".
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Don't watch. It's sad.

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It was very sad in many ways. I wanted to yell at my screen.

Can anyone explain the Hamilton triple? I thought this one was easy and I don't get where they went astray.

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Only 2/5 in At the Mall, much to my surprise. I've never worn Vans, so that one was out of my league; tripped up on Hollister because I keep forgetting that it's actually "Hollister Co."; and clammed on Panda Express since there aren't any in the malls around here.

0/5 in Team Nicknames. NHO whichever one was an OKC team.

Drew a blank on John the Baptist, keeping me from my first ever 5/5 in a Biblical category.

No guess on FJ! I keep thinking Benedict Arnold was a historical figure from ancient times. His name just sounds like it should be more in place with guys like Julius Caesar.
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TenPoundHammer wrote:0/5 in Team Nicknames. NHO whichever one was an OKC team.
Thunder... used to be the Seattle SuperSonics. You probably haven't heard of them, either. :roll:

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lisa0012 wrote:It was very sad in many ways. I wanted to yell at my screen.

Can anyone explain the Hamilton triple? I thought this one was easy and I don't get where they went astray.
They fixated on 'money' without realizing that the clue was talking about betraying your country for money. Instaget FJ, obviously.

The wagering...good lord. It's funny, I'm usually annoyed with all the times Alex reminds us of the 4 wild cards available; clearly, he isn't saying it enough, because they aren't listening. Sad. Nice to see a rare tiebreaker question though.

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heelsrule1988 wrote:
TenPoundHammer wrote:0/5 in Team Nicknames. NHO whichever one was an OKC team.
Thunder... used to be the Seattle SuperSonics. You probably haven't heard of them, either. :roll:
Those I've heard of. But I don't follow sports, so I wasn't aware the SuperSonics had moved.

Seriously, teams seem to change names as often as motels change brands. And it seems just about as pointless to me either way.
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I was thinking Cornwallis for some reason :oops:
Although, the tiebreaker was...anything QUICKER than an instaget? :D

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Well that was certainly unexpected. Now at least I can say that I've seen a tiebreaker clue in a game I was watching "live". I was completely stunned when it was revealed that Gabriela and Evan were tied, as I had essentially conceded the game to her as soon as Evan's incorrect response was revealed. I was busy noticing that if Evan had responded correctly, his wager would have left him at exactly $15,000. Assuming that Gabriela was the winner, he would have been one agonizing dollar short of claiming the final wild card.

I said it yesterday, and I'll say it again, don't the players understand how the wild cards work? Do people try out for Jeopardy who have never watched the show, or seldom watched it? I suppose that if you've never watched any Jeopardy! tournaments, you would have no reasonable understanding of what the wild card scores tend to be, which I suppose would make wagers like Gabriela's more understandable. Then again, she seemed to understand that she needed to bet enough to cover twice Evan's score. Unfortunately, she chose to cover him by $1,000, instead of just $1, and it proved costly.

I'm sure there's no precedent for this, but if the tied players' scores had been high enough to qualify for a wild card spot, they still would have had the tiebreaker question, right? I assume that they would have, just in order to be able to cite one player as a Quarterfinal winner, and the other as a Wild Card, but there would be no functional difference, right? As far as I know, all players advancing to the Semi-Finals are essentially treated equally, so the tiebreaker winner wouldn't actually gain anything over the tiebreaker loser, as far as I know. Anyone feel free to correct me if any of these assumptions I have made are incorrect.

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lisa0012 wrote:It was very sad in many ways. I wanted to yell at my screen.

Can anyone explain the Hamilton triple? I thought this one was easy and I don't get where they went astray.
Fixated on the money aspect since Hamilton was the first Secretary of the Treasury and possibly have a major misunderstanding of the circumstances of his duel with Aaron Burr? That's the best I got.

Happy for Evan and inordinately pleased that Johnny and Alex managed to properly pronounce Olathe.

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Can we look for a show with Ann Romney giving the clues this fall? :evil:
0fer in malls (shoulda got Panda Express, tho), FJ and TB were instagets.

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Gabriela's overwager costed her a semifinals spot, and at least $5000. Too bad, because I was actually wishing for her to advance. :(

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What was Gabriela thinking, an 8k wager? she should have just done 1k or so as 19k is pretty much top wild-card. This has to be one of my best Jeopardy games as I'm pretty sure I hand under 10 incorrect. :)

Oh yeah, Gabriela was a pretty cute girl. :D

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jeff6286 wrote:Well that was certainly unexpected. Now at least I can say that I've seen a tiebreaker clue in a game I was watching "live". I was completely stunned when it was revealed that Gabriela and Evan were tied, as I had essentially conceded the game to her as soon as Evan's incorrect response was revealed. I was busy noticing that if Evan had responded correctly, his wager would have left him at exactly $15,000. Assuming that Gabriela was the winner, he would have been one agonizing dollar short of claiming the final wild card.

I said it yesterday, and I'll say it again, don't the players understand how the wild cards work? Do people try out for Jeopardy who have never watched the show, or seldom watched it? I suppose that if you've never watched any Jeopardy! tournaments, you would have no reasonable understanding of what the wild card scores tend to be, which I suppose would make wagers like Gabriela's more understandable. Then again, she seemed to understand that she needed to bet enough to cover twice Evan's score. Unfortunately, she chose to cover him by $1,000, instead of just $1, and it proved costly.

I'm sure there's no precedent for this, but if the tied players' scores had been high enough to qualify for a wild card spot, they still would have had the tiebreaker question, right? I assume that they would have, just in order to be able to cite one player as a Quarterfinal winner, and the other as a Wild Card, but there would be no functional difference, right? As far as I know, all players advancing to the Semi-Finals are essentially treated equally, so the tiebreaker winner wouldn't actually gain anything over the tiebreaker loser, as far as I know. Anyone feel free to correct me if any of these assumptions I have made are incorrect.
If I am not mistaken, the HIGHEST winner's score allows him to select first in the semi's game. What were the other wild-card scores if you happen to know. thanks

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Well, I certainly fell for that negbait as well. Pretty obvious once Alex mentioned it, but nonetheless if you focus on money ...

I'm taking bets on next week's matches if anyone's interested.

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DBear wrote:Can we look for a show with Ann Romney giving the clues this fall? :evil:
OH, let's hope not; let's hope there is some cachet to actually being first lady as opposed to being a prospective nominee's wife. And let's hope the party that has veered off the rails of sanity and is pretending it's 1928 and only the rich are entitled to education or medical care doesn't gain the advantage to put Ann Romney in that position. tipping point...

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Was there no one in Gabriela's entourage to discuss wagering strategy with her? Any sage counsel prior to her match should have included the fact that $20 k is an advance. She played well and deserved better.

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Are the contestants aware of the previous games winners and second place totals? If so, she made a bad wager, but if not, then can't blame her too much. I wouldn't be surprised if they are not aware because it would be unfair to the contestants who play first.

FJ was instaget as was the tie breaker. I'm very surprised none of them got Benedict Arnold. got all the FJ's this tournament so far although thats not as impressive as the adult games :)
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