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Wednesday, February 12, 2014 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by Archivists » Wed Feb 12, 2014 11:30 am

Game Recap for Show #6773, 2014-02-12

2014 College Championship quarterfinal game 3.

CONTESTANTS
Kevin Shen, a junior from the University of California, Berkeley from Cupertino, California
Terry O'Shea, a sophomore at Princeton University from Bridgewater, New Jersey
Kenesha Bennett, a senior from Oakwood University from Huntsville, Alabama

OPENING REMARKS
Alex: Thank you, Johnny. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. They're young, they're bright, and they're happy and excited to be competing here in Southern California in our College Championship. $100,000 payday at the end of next week. Kenesha, Terry, and Kevin, welcome aboard. Good to see you and good luck, also, as we now move into the Jeopardy! Round. One Daily Double in this round. Here are the categories...

JEOPARDY! ROUND CATEGORIES
MUSIC MAKERS (4/5)
BIOLOGY CLASS (3/5)
PRIME NUMBERS (5/5)
STUDENT AID (4/5)
3-LETTER WORDS (5/5)
THE HARVARD BOOK STORE TOP 100 (4/5, including 1 correct Daily Double) (Alex: These are top staff recommendations.)

THE RIGHTS & THE WRONGS
Terry: 11 R (including 1 DD), 2 W
Kenesha: 9 R (including 1 rebound), 3 W
Kevin: 5 R, 1 W

Clues revealed: 30
Triple Stumpers: 5
Jeopardy! Round Potential Lach Trash: $3,200



SCORES AT THE FIRST BREAK
Kenesha: $4,400
Terry: $800
Kevin: $0

CONTESTANT INTERVIEWS



Alex: Kevin Shen is a mathematics major at Berkeley who coded a casino game. I don't understand what that means.

Kevin: So, when I was in high school, we had a programming class, and we had a lot of free time to work on our own individual projects. So, I had written a program which let you play blackjack, poker, and I think slots against the computer.

Alex: Mm-hmm.

Kevin: And the two people on either side of me were playing this game instead of doing their own projects, and they ended up racking a pretty large imaginary debt to me.

Alex: So they still owe you a lot of money?

Kevin: They haven't paid me yet.

[Laughter]

Alex: I wouldn't hang around with them anymore.




Alex: Terry O'Shea is a sophomore at Princeton, part of an organization called what?

Terry: The Institute for Chocolate Studies.

Alex: That sounds like I could be a member of that institution.

Terry: Yes. Well, basically what we do is make chocolate and eat it, of course. It's lots of fun.

Alex: That's a wonderful organization to be part of. Whose idea was it to form that?

Terry: I think it's a current junior named Greg, who did an independent project about chocolate making in high school.

Alex: [claps] Good for him. Love chocolate.




Alex: Kenesha Bennett is a senior at Oakwood University. That's part of the historically black colleges and universities...

Kenesha: Uh-huh.

Alex: ...in the United States. Am I right on that?

Kenesha: Yes.

Alex: Now, but yours is the --has an interesting aspect to it. It's the only...

Kenesha: Seventh-Day Adventist HBCU.

Alex: Seventh-Day Adventist.

Kenesha: Yes, it is.

Alex: And how does that make you guys different? Is religion an important part of the curriculum?

Kenesha: Religion is an important part of the curriculum. All students are required to take four classes, and you see it in aspects. Like, you have worship at the beginning of class, and the teachers can pray with you, and so, it's great to go to a religious school because I myself am religious, and so I feel at home there.

Alex: Good for you. Good for you, indeed.

JEOPARDY! ROUND DAILY DOUBLE
Terry found the Daily Double on the 30th clue. Kenesha had $5,000, Terry had $3,200, and Kevin was at $2,000. Terry wagered $2,000.

THE HARVARD BOOK STORE TOP 100 $1000: This 1855 volume of American poetry rounds out the Top 100
(Alex: Is that a guess?)
(Terry: ...yes.)
(Alex: It's a good one. You're right.)

TRIPLE STUMPERS IN THE JEOPARDY! ROUND
STUDENT AID $600: The PSAT is the qualifying exam for this scholarship program that began in 1955
(Kevin: What is the NHS?)
(Kenesha: What is the SAT?)

BIOLOGY CLASS $400: By definition, a polypeptide is a chain of these linked together by peptide bonds
(Terry: What are carbons?)
(Kenesha: What are sugars?)

BIOLOGY CLASS $800: While red bone marrow gets its color from developing red blood cells, yellow marrow gets its color from this

MUSIC MAKERS $800: "Life will pass me by if I don't open up my eyes", says this hit by Avicii
(Kenesha: What is "Don't Wake Me Up"?)

THE HARVARD BOOK STORE TOP 100 $600: This first novel by Carson McCullers takes 35th place on the list

SCORES AT THE END OF THE JEOPARDY! ROUND
Terry: $5,200
Kenesha: $5,000
Kevin: $2,000

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DOUBLE JEOPARDY! ROUND CATEGORIES
HAIL TO THE CHIEF (4/5, including 1 missed Daily Double)
TIME MANAGEMENT (4/5, including 1 correct Daily Double)
SHARP THINGS (3/5)
GETTING YOUR "M-B-A" (5/5) (Alex: Those three letters will come up in that order in each correct response.)
KENYA WEST (3/5)
NO DISRESPECT TO BEN AFFLECK (5/5)

THE RIGHTS & THE WRONGS
Terry: 13 R (including 1 rebound), 2 W (including 1 DD)
Kevin: 8 R (including 1 rebound and 1 DD), 1 W
Kenesha: 3 R, 4 W

Clues revealed: 30
Triple Stumpers: 5
Double Jeopardy! Round Potential Lach Trash: $8,400



FIRST DOUBLE JEOPARDY! ROUND DAILY DOUBLE
Kevin snagged the next Daily Double on the 8th clue. Kenesha had $6,200, Terry had $8,800, and Kevin was at $4,400. Kevin wagered $2,400.

TIME MANAGEMENT $1200: It's what the U.S. Naval Observatory calls a timepiece regulated by the natural vibration frequencies of cesium particles

SECOND DOUBLE JEOPARDY! ROUND DAILY DOUBLE
It was Terry who snatched up the last Daily Double of the game on the 15th clue. Kenesha had $5,400, Terry had $12,800, and Kevin was at $6,400. Terry wagered $3,000.

HAIL TO THE CHIEF $2000: This soldier served only 16 months as the 1st president who had never been in Congress or the Continental Congress
(Terry: Who is Andrew Jackson?)

TRIPLE STUMPERS IN THE DOUBLE JEOPARDY! ROUND
TIME MANAGEMENT $2000: Smartphone clocks can drift 10 sec. a day; a Hong Kong scientist has a way to sync them with the flickering of this kind of light
(Kevin: What is a laser?)

SHARP THINGS $800: A leather strip called a strop is traditionally for sharpening this
(Terry: What is a knife?)
(Kenesha: What is a sword?)
...
(Alex: What is an old-fashioned [*]?)

SHARP THINGS $2000: To have a selfish motive, or to possess an implement that needs sharpening
(Kenesha: What is dull?)

KENYA WEST $1600: Some of Kenya's most fertile land is within this 4,000-mile-long "great" depression

KENYA WEST $2000: She was talking about west Kenya when she began a book, "I had a farm in Africa, at the foot of the Ngong Hills"

SCORES ENTERING FINAL JEOPARDY!
Terry: $15,400
Kevin: $10,800
Kenesha: $2,200

FINAL JEOPARDY! CATEGORY
BIBLE CHARACTERS

VENUSIAN MONOLOGUES/MARTIAN CHRONICLES
Two-thirds for first place. Shore's Conjecture.
Terry: Wager $6,201 to cover Kevin, but no more than $10,999 so as not to fall behind Kenesha's doubled score. If you're a fan of shoretegic wagering, you might risk $1,801.
Kevin: You'll want to wager between $0 (venusian) and $1,600 (martian), and you'll win the game if Terry wagers enough and gets it wrong.
Kenesha: Unfortunately, your score is less than the difference between the scores of the first and second place players, so unless they both blunder, you're competing for second place and have no hopes of first. Wager as much as you desire, but remember, you'll have better chances of advancing to second place if you have a larger sum left over on a Triple Stumper.

FINAL JEOPARDY! CLUE
"Take care of him", says the man called this in Luke 10 after giving money to an innkeeper

FINAL SCORES
Kenesha: $2,200 + $2,200 = $4,400 (What is The Good Samaritan) (3rd place: $5,000 if eliminated)
Kevin: $10,800 + $4,601 = $15,401 (What is the Good Samaritan?) (2nd place: $5,000 if eliminated)
Terry: $15,400 + $2,000 = $17,400 (What is the good Samaritan) (Automatic semifinalist)

Total Potential Lach Trash: $11,600

GAME DYNAMICS
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CORYAT SCORES
Terry: $17,400, 24 R (including 1 DD), 4 W (including 1 DD)
Kevin: $9,600, 13 R (including 1 DD), 2 W
Kenesha: $2,200, 12 R, 7 W
Combined Coryat: $29,200

BATTING AVERAGES
Terry: 25/60 = .417
Kevin: 14/59 = .237
Kenesha: 13/58 = .224
Team: 52/63 = .825

MISCELLANEOUS INTERESTING CLUES
3-LETTER WORDS $800: Grass-covered soil
(Terry: What is...)

STUDENT AID $800: This group gives scholarships to minority students & financial support to 37 historically black colleges & universities
(Alex: Kenesha you'd better get it.)
(Kenesha: What is [*]? I know! [chuckles])

MUSIC MAKERS $600: The song heard here is from this band's album "AM"

MUSIC MAKERS $1000: 3 sisters make up this pop band

HAIL TO THE CHIEF $800: (Kelly of the Clue Crew displays a map of the U.S. on the monitor.) In 1952, the term "Solid South" referred to an area controlled by Democrats, even in this man's landslide win--the political map was very different back then
(Kenesha: Who is Truman?)

KENYA WEST $1200: Birders love "soda lakes" like Nakuru: the alkaline water supports the blue-green type of these, luring lots of flamingos
(Kenesha: What are herons?)

CORRECT RESPONSES
Leaves of Grass
the National Merit Scholarship Program
amino acids
fat
"Wake Me Up"
The Heart Is a Lonely Hunter
an atomic clock
Zachary Taylor
fluorescent light
straight razor
having an axe to grind
the Great Rift Valley
Isak Dinesen
the Good Samaritan
sod
the UNCF (United Negro College Fund)
the Arctic Monkeys
Haim
Eisenhower
algae

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Post by jeff6286 » Wed Feb 12, 2014 4:39 pm

Bible Characters
"Take care of him", says the man called this in Luke 10 after giving money to an innkeeper.

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What is the Good Samaritan?


Terry O'Shea (Princeton): $15,400+$2,000=$17,400...Automatic Semi-Finalist
Kevin Shen (Cal-Berkeley): $10,800+$4,601=$15,401
Kenesha Bennett (Oakwood): $2,200+$2,200=$4,400
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Re: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by skullturf » Wed Feb 12, 2014 7:45 pm

As a mathematician, I found the clue that asked for the largest prime below 1000 to be an interesting one.

I got it right -- primes (other than 2) have to be odd, and you can tell 999 isn't prime (it's 3 times 333, 9 times 111, as well as other things), so I just figured "It's probably going to be the *next* largest odd number below 1000", so I said 997, which turned out to be correct.

I just figured that they don't expect us to tell at a glance whether or not a number is divisible by, say, 13. They probably wouldn't have asked it unless the natural candidate that "looks" prime really is prime.

Interestingly, though, for numbers *around* that size, nobody except really rare savants can tell "just by looking" that a number is prime. For example, the number 989, which is in that general range, happens to be 23 times 43, but people can't be reasonably expected to just "notice" that.

On to non-math topics:

I did well on this board, but slightly less well than the previous two days. I did better in the DJ round than in the J round. I went 0 for 5 on music makers in the J round.

The DD where the response was "atomic clock" was a great example of something being conspicuous by its absence. The clue contained all sorts of terminology that sounded related to clocks and atomic matters, but didn't contain the words "atomic" or "clock". Sometimes those conspicuous absences are exactly what to look for when solving a Jeopardy! clue.

I missed FJ. I had the Prodigal Son -- was pretty sure that was something that appears only in Luke. Turns out I was correct about that, but that wasn't enough.

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Post by Ivoirians » Wed Feb 12, 2014 7:57 pm

I'd skipped 999, started factoring 7, 11, 13 through 997, considered 991, and then realized the question writers must have intended 997 while Kenesha buzzed in. Definitely an interesting clue because you certainly weren't intended to be sure it was prime, it was more of a read-the-writer's-mind clue.

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Post by Paucle » Wed Feb 12, 2014 8:04 pm

Was worried when I saw the category! Thought my streak was doomed, but turned out to be an instaget.
The leader had an interesting wager. Even getting it right does not ensure the win; of course, it makes her sitting pretty solidly for a wild card slot, which even a miss does too. Same for second place- a hit makes for a nice WC slot as well as a shot at winning, and a miss also gives him an decent shot at WC. (I've no idea what the WC standings are right now, but then neither do they.)

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Post by soxfan99 » Wed Feb 12, 2014 8:56 pm

I really liked the prime category. It gave a way to narrow down possible answers, but with the exception of the 997 clue, was never actually related to primes. I especially liked it for the Bull Run clue. If you knew it for sure, the prime piece didn't matter, but if you just knew it was early 1860s, primes ruled out 1860 and 1862, and with a little more thought, 1863.

The FJs all week have been really easy. For fairness sake, I hope it continues tomorrow and Thursday. Both yesterday and today, it looked like all the contestants wrote down the answer very quickly, without having to put any thought into it. Despite all the harping about how easy Monday's FJ was, I actually think it has been the hardest of the week.

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Post by goatman » Wed Feb 12, 2014 9:33 pm

[quote="skullturf"]...I just figured "It's probably going to be the *next* largest odd number below 1000", so I said 997, which turned out to be correct.

...Interestingly, though, for numbers *around* that size, nobody except really rare savants can tell "just by looking" that a number is prime. For example, the number 989, which is in that general range, happens to be 23 times 43, but people can't be reasonably expected to just "notice" that.

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By inspection, a number like 989 can be visualized as 900 (clearly non-prime) plus 50 plus 39 = 13x3 so is evidently non-prime without formal argument or proof. While Alex reads the clue you can get this in under 12 seconds if you know just a little math sleight of hand. Best method is; "Okay, so clue says 'less than 1000... go to 999...no...go to 998...no...try 997 hmm 900+50+37 looks pretty prime!' <press and hold firing pin FTW>

While not mathematically complete by any means this sort of 'inspection analysis' which really is little more than logical intuition may come in very handy!

And yes look again you are asked to know a date! What is 1861... July 21 to be exact. Was a lovely day for a picnic, lol :o

Another game with soooo many TS...Ax to grind...Isak Dinesen (instaget for Out of AFrica..."I had a farm in Africa, at the foot of the Ngong Hills" found on wiki if the pages stuck together in your copy...again they check if you at least opened the book to read first line!...Zack Taylor, the last Whig to be ELECTED President died after 16 months in office of gastroenteritis on 9 July 1850, from eating spoiled strawberry or possibly cherry ice cream at the Washington Monument dedication ceremony 4 July 1850; succeeded by Millard Fillmore, the last Whig president (never elected!)...1952 = Eisenhower election NOT Truman, <cry> O noes! PLEASE learn your Presidents by term of office, party, pets, children, wives, lovers, nationality and Veeps, at least! We've seen some pretty tough clues ask for Presidents by the first ladies' maiden names, by VPs, by anything and everything...you may never know all.

Sigh, poor Kanesha she started our so strong we were all like; "You go, girl!" but then started guessing, which just kills you...after four useless bad guesses she was firmly set back into 3rd place. So hard to keep your finger off the trigger when you've nothing in the sights, sigh... overall well-played game they cleared the boards and answered most of these fairly tough clues correctly. Lot of stress and excitement for these young players they played pretty well.

FJ was isntaget if you're familiar with the parables, I've been going through my dog-eared pocket Bible again so it was fresh. Pretty tough clue, is ambiguous. Oddly I noticed that the form appearing on the NYT Daily Clue is slightly different and more vague, it was rewritten between submissions!
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Post by skullturf » Wed Feb 12, 2014 9:44 pm

goatman wrote:By inspection, a number like 989 can be visualized as 900 (clearly non-prime) plus 50 plus 39 = 13x3 so is evidently non-prime without formal argument or proof.
What? No. You can't tell that. That would only make sense if 900 and 50 and 39 had a factor in common.

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Post by TenPoundHammer » Wed Feb 12, 2014 9:51 pm

"Dig" was my only miss in 3 Letter. NHOI in that context.

3/5 in Prime. Clammed on 1861, just plain didn't know 7 Against Thebes. 997 was a guess.

So that's what a "Rhodes scholar" is. I never had to know anything about scholarships, so the clues were all way over my head.

Knew Nate Ruess because I like fun., and I knew Lana del Rey from seeing her name on TV Tropes, but blanked on her name. No clue on the last three. NHO Arctic Monkeys or Haim, and I HAVE heard of Avicii but could name no songs by them.

Also 0/5 in Harvard.

Got only $200 in Biology, since I assume "endocrine" isn't enough for "Endocrinology". "Krebs cycle" was in the back of my head, but I wasn't confident enough. Have I mentioned that I HATE biology?

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Embrace means to accept? Also had an "oh, duh" moment on "membrane", but no hope on "umbrella".

0/5 in Hail to the Chief. Just couldn't put the pieces together on the clues. "Wait, Jefferson? But Thomas Jefferson wasn't in the 1940s. Wait, who was president in the 40's?" Derp.

Lach Trash on "razor".

How did you get chainsaw out of Sharp Things for $1600?

NHO Jeremy Renner. The other four clues in Ben Affleck at least rang a bell, but I could pull none of them.

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Almost instaget on FJ!, but I had to get "Prodigal son" out of my head first.

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skullturf wrote:The DD where the response was "atomic clock" was a great example of something being conspicuous by its absence. The clue contained all sorts of terminology that sounded related to clocks and atomic matters, but didn't contain the words "atomic" or "clock". Sometimes those conspicuous absences are exactly what to look for when solving a Jeopardy! clue.
Those are the kinds of things I don't notice. To me, the clue was so densely packed with technobabble that I couldn't make heads or tails of it.
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Post by goforthetie » Wed Feb 12, 2014 10:00 pm

goatman wrote: By inspection, a number like 989 can be visualized as 900 (clearly non-prime) plus 50 plus 39 = 13x3 so is evidently non-prime without formal argument or proof. While Alex reads the clue you can get this in under 12 seconds if you know just a little math sleight of hand. Best method is; "Okay, so clue says 'less than 1000... go to 999...no...go to 998...no...try 997 hmm 900+50+37 looks pretty prime!' <press and hold firing pin FTW>
I nominate this paragraph for "Most disgustingly incorrect thing written on JBoard".

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Post by evanakm » Wed Feb 12, 2014 10:27 pm

goatman wrote: By inspection, a number like 989 can be visualized as 900 (clearly non-prime) plus 50 plus 39 = 13x3 so is evidently non-prime without formal argument or proof. While Alex reads the clue you can get this in under 12 seconds if you know just a little math sleight of hand. Best method is; "Okay, so clue says 'less than 1000... go to 999...no...go to 998...no...try 997 hmm 900+50+37 looks pretty prime!' <press and hold firing pin FTW>

While not mathematically complete by any means this sort of 'inspection analysis' which really is little more than logical intuition may come in very handy!
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Post by TenPoundHammer » Wed Feb 12, 2014 10:41 pm

goforthetie wrote:
goatman wrote: By inspection, a number like 989 can be visualized as 900 (clearly non-prime) plus 50 plus 39 = 13x3 so is evidently non-prime without formal argument or proof. While Alex reads the clue you can get this in under 12 seconds if you know just a little math sleight of hand. Best method is; "Okay, so clue says 'less than 1000... go to 999...no...go to 998...no...try 997 hmm 900+50+37 looks pretty prime!' <press and hold firing pin FTW>
I nominate this paragraph for "Most disgustingly incorrect thing written on JBoard".
I dunno, mbclev's "THAT WRONG ANSWER WILL HAUNT THEM FOREVER AND I WILL RANT ABOUT THIS UNTIL THE DAY THAT I DIE! WHY DID SUCH STUPID STUPIDHEADS OF STUPID JOKE AROUND LIKE THAT ON JEOPARDY! AND COST THEMSELVES THE GAME?!?" posts give it some pretty stiff competition.
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Post by MarkBarrett » Wed Feb 12, 2014 10:57 pm

You can't judge a book by its cover and you can't judge a J! game by its first segment. Kenesha's good start did not hold up, but after three nights she is not eliminated at least. Yet.

I'm glad the ax to grind clue was a regular one as I suspect even with 25 more seconds I may not have figured it out. Strop = straight razor was much easier since I see them in action during my seasonal visits to the barber shop.

0/5 for me in music. No such luck getting Imagine Dragons and "On Top of the World" since I heard the song in The Incredible Burt Wonderstone movie I watched earlier today.

Was that FJ! clue really college level? I'd say teen tournament or kids week and give the students something more difficult.

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Post by lieph82 » Wed Feb 12, 2014 11:08 pm

MarkBarrett wrote: Was that FJ! clue really college level? I'd say teen tournament or kids week and give the students something more difficult.
I'm Jewish, and I had absolutely no clue. Really, really need to study some NT.

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Post by Bamaman » Wed Feb 12, 2014 11:14 pm

I was rooting for the Bama girl today (I suspect Hanz was as well) and was glad she got off to a strong start. I even attended an Adventist funeral today so it seemed like a good omen. But she had too many misses in DJ and the wheelhouse FJ didn't do her much good, though she did make the right bet.

At first I was surprised they'd just have taken Samaritan, but he is called that (without the "good") in the Bible.

I only missed 997 in the prime numbers. I misread the clue and was looking for a number in the 100s. I did not know 1861 was prime (and I doubt many would have known at a quick glance), but I knew when the battle took place. The one about 997 was the only one that required any knowledge of prime numbers.

Yes, presidents are something you need to know on Jeopardy. But I think the DD was overly wordy and she wasn't able to hone in on the fact it said he died after 16 months in office. I got it but it took me a bit to figure out where they were going.

I agree the FJ was very simple. While Jews (and the non-religious) aren't exposed to the Christian parables, the phrase "Good Samaritan" is pretty common in general use.
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Post by MarkBarrett » Wed Feb 12, 2014 11:16 pm

lieph82 wrote:
MarkBarrett wrote: Was that FJ! clue really college level? I'd say teen tournament or kids week and give the students something more difficult.
I'm Jewish, and I had absolutely no clue. Really, really need to study some NT.
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Post by goatman » Wed Feb 12, 2014 11:20 pm

ummm yah; w/e: if a No. is divisible by some combination it is by definition not prime... just tryin to show how you can with mental gymnastics quickly jump to a solution without crunching numbers too large to handle... this is not 'pompous' arrogance but is admittedly a rather sketchy thumbnail proof. :ugeek:

And yes, a Rhodes scholarship is named for Cecil Rhodes (not the Colossus of Ancient Wonders), an Imperialist mining tycoon who exploited slave labour to dig out diamonds, copper gold and silver from what what we now call Zimbabwe (S Rhodesia) and Zambia (N. Rhodesia) and also started the 2nd Boer war in 1899; think of the thousands of broken bloody backs a Rhodes' scholar stands upon to earn a degree: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cecil_Rhodes
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Re: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by Bamaman » Wed Feb 12, 2014 11:22 pm

MarkBarrett wrote:
lieph82 wrote:
MarkBarrett wrote: Was that FJ! clue really college level? I'd say teen tournament or kids week and give the students something more difficult.
I'm Jewish, and I had absolutely no clue. Really, really need to study some NT.
Myron posted some helpful things in the Pavlov thread: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=343&p=56479
If Terry had gone to that page and scrolled down, she'd also have learned that Jackson served eight years, not 16 months.

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Re: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by skullturf » Wed Feb 12, 2014 11:28 pm

goatman wrote:ummm yah; w/e: if a No. is divisible by some combination it is by definition not prime... just tryin to show how you can with mental gymnastics quickly jump to a solution without crunching numbers too large to handle... this is not 'pompous' arrogance but is admittedly a rather sketchy thumbnail proof.
What you said about 989 was worse than sketchy. I'm not trying to be rude, but it made no sense.

Yes, 989 can be written as 900+50+39. And yes, each of the numbers 900, 50, and 39 is non-prime. So what? That doesn't tell you anything about how 989 factors. As a matter of fact, the only factors of 989 are 23 and 43. The divisibility by 23 or 43 is what makes 989 non-prime, and you can't tell that from writing it as 900+50+39.

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