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Thursday, June 19, 2014 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by Archivists » Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:30 am

Game Recap for Show #6864, 2014-06-19

CONTESTANTS
Angie Rasmussen, a virologist from Seattle, Washington
Brian Keele, an architectural project manager from Atlanta, Georgia
Troy Senik, a newspaper columnist from Westlake Village, California (whose 1-day cash winnings total $28,700)

OPENING REMARKS
Alex: Thank you all very much. Thank you, Johnny. Hello, everyone, and welcome to our show. Our champion is a soft-spoken newspaper columnist, who is obviously very well-read. Otherwise, he wouldn't have been able to earn that much money on yesterday's program. Shy --just a little shy of $30,000. Brian and Angie, you are the newcomers. So I welcome you. Welcome back, Troy. Let's go to work in the first round, shall we? Let's see what happens with these categories today...

JEOPARDY! ROUND CATEGORIES
THE BOOK OF MORMONS (4/5)
QUIRKY NEWS (5/5)
SPACED OUT (2/3)
A SOFT TOUCH (3/5)
PLACES IN COLORADO (4/5, including 1 missed Daily Double)
ANGELS & DEMONS (4/5)

THE RIGHTS & THE WRONGS
Troy: 12 R (including 2 rebounds), 2 W
Angie: 6 R (including 1 rebound), 3 W
Brian: 4 R, 6 W (including 1 DD)

Clues revealed: 28
Triple Stumpers: 5
Jeopardy! Round Potential Lach Trash: $3,000



JEOPARDY! ROUND DAILY DOUBLE
Brian found the Daily Double on the 9th clue. Troy had $2,000, Brian had $1,000, and Angie was at $1,200. Brian made it a True Daily Double, wagering $1,000.

PLACES IN COLORADO $800: This city of 95,000 people is named for a New York Tribune editor
(Brian: What is Pulitzer?)

SCORES AT THE FIRST BREAK
Troy: $4,600
Angie: $1,600
Brian: $0

CONTESTANT INTERVIEWS



Alex: Angie Rasmussen is from Seattle, Washington. Hardcore Seattle Seahawks fan.

Angie: That's right, Alex. I've been a 12 since before I was born.

Alex: Really?

Angie: That's right. My first Seahawks game was when my mother was seven months pregnant with me in the King Dome.

Alex: It was a good year for you.

Angie: It was a great year, and I've got season tickets. So I'm hoping for a...a repeat next year.

Alex: Good for you.




Alex: Uh, Brian Keele is from Atlanta, Georgia, who works at a notable architectural firm which specializes in a particular kind of architecture. What?

Brian: Uh, we do very, very large projects. We do a lot of work
internationally, a lot of high-rise buildings. And we have a particular concentration in hospitality, high-end hotels, resorts,
convention centers.

Alex: Now that's in your part of the country. Does your firm do work in places like Los Angeles?

Brian: Actually, I am working on two projects in San Diego currently.

Alex: Really? So if you're designing projects for our part of the world, you have to take into account the possibility of earthquakes.

Brian: Absolutely.

Alex: It adds a lot of expense. Extra expense, doesn't it?

Brian: It's very interesting doing work in California.

Alex: [ chuckles ] Yes, I'm sure it is.




Alex: Okay, our champion is Troy Senik. He is a newspaper columnist from here in Southern California. Always had a desire to travel to an exotic place that I can talk to you about --Antarctica, right?

Troy: Antarctica, yeah, I've always had the fascination with Antarctica primarily because if you think about it in historical terms, there's no place really that's been seen by fewer people throughout history that most people before us never would've had the opportunity, so...

Alex: And yet, it was first seen by Europeans a long, long time ago.

Troy: Right.

Alex: Many hundreds of years ago. But it's a great place to visit. Go there in December or January, their summer, and you'll enjoy it.

Troy: You have a restaurant that you'd recommend?
[ laughter ] I thought you knew!

Alex: Right on, Jack.

TRIPLE STUMPERS IN THE JEOPARDY! ROUND
ANGELS & DEMONS $1000: This U2 song is a tribute to Billie Holiday

THE BOOK OF MORMONS $600: Self-help author & guru Stephen Covey, who penned the highly successful "7 habits of" this group of folks
(Brian: What is Highly Successful People?)
(Angie: What are Successful People?)
...
(Alex: What are [*], not successful.)

A SOFT TOUCH $400: Woolite has a version "specially formulated to take care of" this type of garment
(Angie: What are stockings?)
(Troy: What is silk?)
...
(Alex: Remember the category is "A Soft Touch"? And the word we're going for here is [*]. [*] fabrics.)

A SOFT TOUCH $600: Moderate in force, like certain winds, or in Britain, a beer with a blander taste than bitter
...
(Alex: The soft touch this time -- [*]. [*], you see?)

SPACED OUT $400: In 1964, to one-up this new U.S. program, the USSR, crammed 3 men into Voskhod 1 with no room even to wear space suits
(Troy: What is the Apollo program?)
(Brian: What is NASA?)
...
(Alex: It was a NASA program called [*]. Back to you though, Brian. You're back in the hole. Boo.)

SCORES AT THE END OF THE JEOPARDY! ROUND
Troy: $6,400
Angie: $1,200
Brian: -$400

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DOUBLE JEOPARDY! ROUND CATEGORIES
AN IMMODEST PROPOSAL (4/5) (Alex: You folks have to identify the man proposing.)
LITERARY GEMS (4/5)
MOVIEMAKERS (4/5, including 1 missed Daily Double)
'80s FASHION (5/5)
PUT ON YOUR NEON (5/5)
& SPAN "D_X" (5/5, including 1 correct Daily Double) (Alex: Each correct response will begin with a "D" and end with an "X".)

THE RIGHTS & THE WRONGS
Troy: 10 R (including 1 rebound), 0 W
Brian: 9 R (including 1 rebound), 1 W (including 1 DD)
Angie: 8 R (including 1 DD), 2 W

Clues revealed: 30
Triple Stumpers: 2
Double Jeopardy! Round Potential Lach Trash: $3,600



FIRST DOUBLE JEOPARDY! ROUND DAILY DOUBLE
Brian snagged the next Daily Double on the 10th clue. Troy had $8,000, Brian had $4,400, and Angie was at $3,200. Brian wagered $2,000.

MOVIEMAKERS $1200: O this director of "Trainspotting" & "Slumdog Millionaire", the pipes, the pipes are calling
(Brian: Danny Elfman.)
...
(Alex: No. [*]. Who is [*]? O, [*].)

SECOND DOUBLE JEOPARDY! ROUND DAILY DOUBLE
It was Angie who snatched up the last Daily Double of the game on the 20th clue. Troy had $10,800, Brian had $4,400, and Angie was at $5,600. Angie made it a True Daily Double, wagering $5,600.

& SPAN "D_X" $2000: This 2-word term for a spiral shape dates to 1954
(Angie: No guts, no glory. Let's make it a true daily double.)
...
(Angie: A [*]...What is a [*]?)
(Alex: Thank you.)
(Angie: Yes!)
(Alex: You were pushing it there, Angie.)
(Angie: I was. I always do.)

TRIPLE STUMPERS IN THE DOUBLE JEOPARDY! ROUND
AN IMMODEST PROPOSAL $2000: 'Cilla Mullins, it's the 17th c., baby, & I'm speaking for myself. Come on, li'l mama! We'll have 11 kids & make Plymouth rock!
...
(Alex: Who is [*]. "Speak for yourself.")

LITERARY GEMS $1600: A Leon Uris thriller, the basis for a Hitchcock film:
"___"

SCORES ENTERING FINAL JEOPARDY!
Troy: $16,000
Angie: $15,200
Brian: $6,400

FINAL JEOPARDY! CATEGORY
BUSINESS & INDUSTRY

VENUSIAN MONOLOGUES/MARTIAN CHRONICLES
Four-fifths for first place. Shore's Conjecture.
Troy: Wager $14,401 to cover Angie. If you feel like using Shoretegy, try wagering $1,601.
Angie: Your score is within 4/5ths of Troy's, so wager between $1,601 (venusian) and $2,399 (martian), beating Troy's maximum safe bet of the difference between your scores while still covering against a doubled score on Brian's part.
Brian: There's no way you can cover a rational wager by Angie, but if Angie decides for some reason to wager everything, you can eke out a win on a Triple Stumper if you wager no more than $4,800.

FINAL JEOPARDY! CLUE
Founded in 1908, this big company was removed from the S&P 500 in 2009 after filing for bankruptcy but returned in 2013

FINAL SCORES
Brian: $6,400 + $6,300 = $12,700 (What is General Motors) (New champion: $12,700)
Angie: $15,200 - $15,000 = $200 (What is AIG?) (3rd place: $1,000)
Troy: $16,000 - $15,500 = $500 (What is Sears) (2nd place: $2,000)

Total Potential Lach Trash: $6,600

GAME DYNAMICS
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CORYAT SCORES
Troy: $16,000, 22 R, 2 W
Angie: $11,600, 14 R (including 1 DD), 5 W
Brian: $9,400, 13 R, 7 W (including 2 DDs)
Combined Coryat: $37,000

BATTING AVERAGES
Troy: 22/58 = .379
Angie: 14/59 = .237
Brian: 14/60 = .233
Team: 50/63 = .794

MISCELLANEOUS INTERESTING CLUES
QUIRKY NEWS $400: A game design professor played this classic Atari game on the side of a skyscraper
in 2013, setting a world record

THE BOOK OF MORMONS $200: This vampire romance novelist whose books have sold more than 100 million copies worldwide
(Brian: Who is Anne Rice?)

THE BOOK OF MORMONS $800: This quarterback who played for BYU & was the NFL's player of the year in 1992 & 1994
(Brian: Who is Doug Flutie?)

A SOFT TOUCH $200: "Do not go" this "into that good night"
(Angie: What is gently?)
(Brian: What is softly?)
...
(Alex: [*], yes. "Do not go [*] into that good night.")

A SOFT TOUCH $800: From the Latin lenis, "soft", it means tolerant or permissive, say, with your kids
...
(Alex: That's it, with less than a minute to go.)

A SOFT TOUCH $1000: A railroad car attached to steam locomotives to carry fuel & water
...
(Alex: Good. You're out of the hole.)

SPACED OUT $600: In 1929 Edwin Hubble discovered this colorful "shift" could be used to estimate galactic distances from Earth
...
[End-of-round signal sounds.]

'80s FASHION $400: White suits with pastel T-shirts... oh, thank you, this 1984 to 1989 NBC drama
...
(Alex: See? You're out of the hole already.)

'80s FASHION $2000: We wish you could feel Dudley Moore's velvety pullover in this fabric, big in the 1980s

PUT ON YOUR NEON $400: It's the city of light seen here

PUT ON YOUR NEON $800: You'll see the sign here in Seligman,
not Flagstaff or Winona in this state

AN IMMODEST PROPOSAL $800: Imelda, you're a 1950s Manila beauty queen! Nice! But marry me & be my first lady (& you'll get shoes! lots of shoes!)
(Troy: Who is Marcos...[*]?)
(Alex: Thank you.)

AN IMMODEST PROPOSAL $1200: Sorry about your hubby Marcellus' death, Octavia! But it's 40 B.C. & I love Y--no, I'm not into Egyptian girls. Why?
[Note: Angie's response, "Who is Marc Anthony?" was accepted.]

AN IMMODEST PROPOSAL $1600: Mary, in 1936, I wanna make you wife number 2! I'm gonna unearth the world for you in East Africa!
(Who is Hemingway?)

LITERARY GEMS $800: Steinbeck:
"The ___"
(Angie: What is "The Red Pony"?)

PUT ON YOUR NEON $2000: If you see the neon sign here, you're near the waterfront in this U.S. city
...
(Alex: You got it, with less than a minute to go.)

PUT ON YOUR NEON $1600: The Rainbow Room on the 65th floor at this address is set to reopen in 2014; maybe Tina Fey will be up there

PUT ON YOUR NEON $1200: Welcome to Brighton Sussex,
a seaside resort
on this body of water

CORRECT RESPONSES
Greeley
"Angel of Harlem"
Highly Effective People
delicate
mild
Gemini
Danny Boyle
double helix
John Alden
Topaz
General Motors
Pong
Stephanie Meyer
Steve Young
gentle
lenient
tender
red shift
Miami Vice
velour
Paris
Arizona
Ferdinand Marcos
Marc Antony
(Louis) Leakey
Pearl
Seattle
30 Rockefeller Plaza
the English Channel

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Re: Thursday, June 19, 2014 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by jeff6286 » Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:39 pm

I am going out of town, not sure when I will see Thursday or Friday's shows, if Bamaman or someone else could post the final Jeopardy clues and scores, I would appreciate it. Thanks!

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Post by Bamaman » Thu Jun 19, 2014 5:56 pm

Business and Industry

Founded in 1908, this big company was removed from the S&P 500 in 2009 after filing for bankruptcy but returned in 2013.
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What is General Motors? Angie said AIG, Troy said Sears
Troy Senik: $16,000-$15,500=$500
Angie Rasmussen: $15,200-$15,000=$200
Brian Keele: $6,400+$6,300=$12,700...now a one day champ with $12,700

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Re: Thursday, June 19, 2014 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by Bob78164 » Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:10 pm

This game is a win for the Strong Form of Shore's Conjecture. The second-place player bet "big." --Bob

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Post by Bamaman » Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:12 pm

Bob78164 wrote:This game is a win for the Strong Form of Shore's Conjecture. The second-place player bet "big." --Bob
If by big, you mean stupidly, yes she did.

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Post by TenPoundHammer » Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:28 pm

I thought "do not go gentle/gently" was monstrous negbait for $200.

Lach Trash: Highly Effective.

Ran Quirky News and Span D_X.

Finally I remember that pearls are considered gems. Thank you, Steven Universe.

FJ! wasn't an instaget, but I knew the bailouts were around 2008-2009 and that was enough to push me into putting it down.
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Re: Thursday, June 19, 2014 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by econgator » Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:28 pm

Bamaman wrote:
Bob78164 wrote:This game is a win for the Strong Form of Shore's Conjecture. The second-place player bet "big." --Bob
If by big, you mean stupidly, yes she did.
Yep. Why she would give up the lock is beyond me.

Is there a reason that someone outside of Seattle would have heard of Pike Place?

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Post by econgator » Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:30 pm

TenPoundHammer wrote:I thought "do not go gentle/gently" was monstrous negbait for $200.
That's not negbait. That word obviously does not mean what you think it means.

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Post by zakharov » Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:30 pm

I too fell for the gentle/gently trap. Well played, Jeopardy writers.

Picked up the trash on Gemini.

That was a fun game. I was yelling at my TV during Angie's DD. I'm pretty sure losing all your cash on forgetting to say "What is" qualifies as the worst way to lose. Thank god that didn't happen.
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Post by econgator » Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:31 pm

zakharov wrote:I'm pretty sure losing all your cash on forgetting to say "What is" qualifies as the worst way to lose. Thank god that didn't happen.
She pretty much lost in the worst possible way to lose, so ...

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Post by xxaaaxx » Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:32 pm

The end of the J! round was bad comedy. I thought for a second both challengers would finish in the red.

The end of the DJ round...ugh. Exciting, sure, and since we ended up seeing all 30 clues despite the warning, it didn't matter, but...come ON! If you have a small lead, stop diving to the bottom of the board!

Instaget FJ. AIG was at least plausibe, but Sears? Had to be a 'don't leave it blank' WAG, right?

Criticize the wagers if you wish, but honestly, did you expect anything different?

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Post by TenPoundHammer » Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:32 pm

econgator wrote:
TenPoundHammer wrote:I thought "do not go gentle/gently" was monstrous negbait for $200.
That's not negbait. That word obviously does not mean what you think it means.
Still a crazy-easy trap to fall into since it's so often misquoted.
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Re: Thursday, June 19, 2014 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by Rex Kramer » Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:32 pm

TenPoundHammer wrote:I thought "do not go gentle/gently" was monstrous negbait for $200.
"Negbait" is when there are two apparently plausible answers, especially if the wrong one seems more likely.

Saying that this was negbait would be like saying "America the Beautiful/Beauteous" is negbait. If you know the work, you know the right word. If you don't know the work, you don't know either word.

Rex

ETA - Or, perhaps in this case a more useful analogy would be: Saying this was negbait would be like saying "I Drive Your Truck/Train" is negbait.
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Post by esrever » Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:38 pm

An interesting game with an unexpected finish: the player in third place going into FJ (Brian) won. Nice to see him win, because he was really struggling for the first half of the game.

I wonder: In what percentage of J! games does a player who is "in the red" at the end of the J! round, end up winning the game? (It must be a tiny percentage!) And also: In what percentage of J! games does the player in third place at the end of the DJ! round, end up winning the game?

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Post by Leander » Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:40 pm

econgator wrote:
Is there a reason that someone outside of Seattle would have heard of Pike Place?
I don't know, I thought it was one of the best known tourist attractions in Seattle, and I've never been closer than San Francisco. But it might be a foodie thing.

I was surprised that Alex seemed to be looking for a BMS on Marcos, yet let Leakey slide when there are more than one (father and son) who are anthropologists.

I fell for gently/gentle too.

Not an instaget FJ, but I got to it pretty quickly.

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Post by zakharov » Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:43 pm

Pike Place Market is a well-known Seattle landmark. I've never been there and I got it.

econgator, I feel like we could have a good poll on the worst way to lose...
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Post by OSXpert » Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:47 pm

econgator wrote:
Bamaman wrote:
Bob78164 wrote:This game is a win for the Strong Form of Shore's Conjecture. The second-place player bet "big." --Bob
Is there a reason that someone outside of Seattle would have heard of Pike Place?

Instaget FJ.
Besides being one of the bigger tourist spots in Seattle, its also where Starbucks was founded and some of their coffees are named after it.

I'm from Chicago and Pike's Place was instant for me.

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Post by CrunchyTaco » Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:56 pm

Anyone else pick Chrysler over GM?

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