Tuesday, July 1, 2014 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

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Re: Tuesday, July 1, 2014 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by bpmod » Wed Jul 02, 2014 10:36 am

davey wrote:
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Onairb wrote:... so I can kind of see how 'The United States of America' could be overlooked in the Declaration...perhaps Schoolhouse Rock should have set it to music.
Since that phrase wasn't there, Schoolhouse Rock would have been wrong to include it, had they set the declaration to music.
But it is there, in the conclusion. A song on the whole Declaration would've included it.
So, the Jeopardy! clue was wrong?

Brian
No. And neither is TheyCallMeMrKid.
Are you saying that both phrases ("the United States of America" (as Onairb said and TheyCallMeMrKid agreed with) and "the thirteen United States of America" (as in the clue/response)) were used, but in different parts of the DoI?

Sorry. I don't know the Declaration of Independence that well.

Brian
...but the senator, while insisting he was not intoxicated, could not explain his nudity.

If I had 50 cents for every math question I got right, I'd have $6.30 by now.

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Re: Tuesday, July 1, 2014 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by John Boy » Wed Jul 02, 2014 10:40 am

danspartan wrote:Once again a horrible wager by 2nd that comes up smelling roses.

Could have easily bet to pass 1st while still keeping 3rd locked out.
Right, and right again. His preferred bet, IMO, was $1999. That wins on a TS, prevents being overtaken by 3rd place Jill, and even covers a $0 bet from the leader. Actually I was rooting for Howard from the initial introduction; there was just something about him I liked. And he played a nice game except for that very suboptimal wager which just happened to work to his advantage because he had the sole FJ get. And to those who will say, "Yeah, so doesn't that make it a good bet?" the answer is, uh, no, just like the discussion on this board last week made clear.

I will root for Howard again in his first game as champ, but he'd better do better than that in wagering if he wants to hang around a while.

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Re: Tuesday, July 1, 2014 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by John Boy » Wed Jul 02, 2014 10:46 am

alietr wrote:
silverscreentest wrote:
Bob78164 wrote:This game is a draw for the Strong Form of Shore's Conjecture. The second-place player bet "big." --Bob
Of course. The eventual winner expressed a desire to spend his winnings on a trip to a beach. What stronger form of Shore Conjecture could there be?
That's a good one. Kudos.
Ditto. :D

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Re: Tuesday, July 1, 2014 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by Shmuel » Wed Jul 02, 2014 11:07 am

Fortunately, the text of the Declaration of Independence is easy to find online. :)

The large heading at the top says "The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America." The Fifth Dimension leaves that and the entire next paragraph out, skipping to the bit where Jefferson &c. make their argument for when and why secession is called for.

(As it happens, there's also a reference to "the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled" at the end, but the clue was asking about the bit at the very beginning.)

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Re: Tuesday, July 1, 2014 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by Volante » Wed Jul 02, 2014 12:54 pm

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zakharov wrote:Canucks = Canadians. Yuks=laughs. Jeopardy humor!
No, I meant the "jury's out on science" line on the $1600 clue specifically. The category name itself I got.
Just a quote from the show. The key bit was 'Gob Bluth.'
CrunchyTaco wrote:I came up with United States of America almost instantly and spent the next 25 seconds second-guessing myself because I thought it seemed too easy.
I can't say I'm very fond of the United States of America as a name for a new country!

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Re: Tuesday, July 1, 2014 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by TheyCallMeMrKid » Wed Jul 02, 2014 1:20 pm

bpmod wrote: Are you saying that both phrases ("the United States of America" (as Onairb said and TheyCallMeMrKid agreed with) and "the thirteen United States of America" (as in the clue/response)) were used, but in different parts of the DoI?

Sorry. I don't know the Declaration of Independence that well.

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Yes, that was the only point I was trying to make.
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Re: Tuesday, July 1, 2014 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by bpmod » Wed Jul 02, 2014 1:30 pm

TheyCallMeMrKid wrote:
bpmod wrote: Are you saying that both phrases ("the United States of America" (as Onairb said and TheyCallMeMrKid agreed with) and "the thirteen United States of America" (as in the clue/response)) were used, but in different parts of the DoI?

Sorry. I don't know the Declaration of Independence that well.

Brian
Yes, that was the only point I was trying to make.
The point I had tried to make in my initial response to Onairb was that his phrase probably would not have been accpted on the show, one of the very few cases where a leading article can make a difference.

Brian
...but the senator, while insisting he was not intoxicated, could not explain his nudity.

If I had 50 cents for every math question I got right, I'd have $6.30 by now.

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Re: Tuesday, July 1, 2014 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by jepkid97 » Wed Jul 02, 2014 2:46 pm

bpmod wrote:
TheyCallMeMrKid wrote:
bpmod wrote: Are you saying that both phrases ("the United States of America" (as Onairb said and TheyCallMeMrKid agreed with) and "the thirteen United States of America" (as in the clue/response)) were used, but in different parts of the DoI?

Sorry. I don't know the Declaration of Independence that well.

Brian
Yes, that was the only point I was trying to make.
The point I had tried to make in my initial response to Onairb was that his phrase probably would not have been accpted on the show, one of the very few cases where a leading article can make a difference.

Brian
I was half-expecting someone to include the "the". In my opinion, losing on something like that is far more irritating than on, say, a bad (or even miscalculated) wager.

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Re: Tuesday, July 1, 2014 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by Spaceman Spiff » Wed Jul 02, 2014 2:55 pm

jepkid97 wrote:
bpmod wrote:
TheyCallMeMrKid wrote:
bpmod wrote: Are you saying that both phrases ("the United States of America" (as Onairb said and TheyCallMeMrKid agreed with) and "the thirteen United States of America" (as in the clue/response)) were used, but in different parts of the DoI?

Sorry. I don't know the Declaration of Independence that well.

Brian
Yes, that was the only point I was trying to make.
The point I had tried to make in my initial response to Onairb was that his phrase probably would not have been accpted on the show, one of the very few cases where a leading article can make a difference.

Brian
I was half-expecting someone to include the "the". In my opinion, losing on something like that is far more irritating than on, say, a bad (or even miscalculated) wager.
This is also where, having 30 seconds to mull it out and write it, you can take a quick breath, re-read the clue, and count the words is more useful than in the standard run of play.

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Re: Tuesday, July 1, 2014 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by davey » Wed Jul 02, 2014 3:15 pm

This leads to another question...and partly sour grapes on my part for not getting it, admittedly -

Is "United States of America" (actually "united States of America" in the Declaration, btw) really so common? Isn't it nearly always "the United States of America"? A 5-word term...

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Re: Tuesday, July 1, 2014 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by alietr » Wed Jul 02, 2014 3:51 pm

davey wrote:This leads to another question...and partly sour grapes on my part for not getting it, admittedly -

Is "United States of America" (actually "united States of America" in the Declaration, btw) really so common? Isn't it nearly always "the United States of America"? A 5-word term...
But there was a "the" in front of thirteen. It wouldn't make sense to have another "the" in there.

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Post by cosmos » Wed Jul 02, 2014 3:54 pm

They wanted the four words following "the thirteen" so you wouldn't say "the thirteen the united States of America." And "united" was lowercase since it wasn't the name of a country it was just states who were united against Britain.

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Re: Tuesday, July 1, 2014 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by sarah0114 » Wed Jul 02, 2014 4:06 pm

Volante wrote:I can't say I'm very fond of the United States of America as a name for a new country!
I don't care what you're fond of. You're not a member of this Congress.

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Post by TenPoundHammer » Wed Jul 02, 2014 4:10 pm

Volante wrote:I can't say I'm very fond of the United States of America as a name for a new country!
Yeah, but their Presidents make pretty good music:

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Re: Tuesday, July 1, 2014 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by bpmod » Wed Jul 02, 2014 4:19 pm

TenPoundHammer wrote:
Volante wrote:I can't say I'm very fond of the United States of America as a name for a new country!
Yeah, but their Presidents make pretty good music:

Hey! Wait a second! Those aren't the words I know!

Brian
...but the senator, while insisting he was not intoxicated, could not explain his nudity.

If I had 50 cents for every math question I got right, I'd have $6.30 by now.

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Post by TenPoundHammer » Wed Jul 02, 2014 4:27 pm

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Re: Tuesday, July 1, 2014 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by davey » Wed Jul 02, 2014 4:55 pm

alietr wrote:
davey wrote:This leads to another question...and partly sour grapes on my part for not getting it, admittedly -

Is "United States of America" (actually "united States of America" in the Declaration, btw) really so common? Isn't it nearly always "the United States of America"? A 5-word term...
But there was a "the" in front of thirteen. It wouldn't make sense to have another "the" in there.
Sure, I understand that. I'm questioning whether the phrase we use is a "4-word term." Even in the Declaration it's a five-word term, interrupted by a 6th word... ;) "United States" is often used without an article to modify a noun (as in "United States exports"), but it's rare to use "United States of America" without that preceding the. I concede that the clue doesn't say it's common as 4 words...
Also, the Declaration calling it "united States of America" makes me wonder how official, as a name, it really was. Though I understand spelling and capitalization were a little less rulebound in the 18th C.
I'm mostly trying to figure out my own failure to get this by noting the loopholes I might have been tangled in.

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Re: Tuesday, July 1, 2014 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by This Is Kirk! » Wed Jul 02, 2014 4:56 pm

davey wrote:Is "United States of America" (actually "united States of America" in the Declaration, btw) really so common?
To be fair, the clue didn't say it was common. Just that it was the first time United States of America had been used officially.

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Re: Tuesday, July 1, 2014 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by sarah0114 » Wed Jul 02, 2014 5:03 pm

TUSA! TUSA! TUSA!

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Re: Tuesday, July 1, 2014 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by davey » Wed Jul 02, 2014 5:06 pm

sarah0114 wrote:TUSA! TUSA! TUSA!
:lol: :lol: :lol:

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