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Re: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by davey » Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:31 pm

I will hope that somebody got tonight's FJ because we discussed the movie in the previous thread about LOTR.{Edit: It was actually in the TPH Education Thread.] I know I emphasized the 1963 film over the remake. The memory certainly helped me, though it took me 20 or more seconds, and my scrawl of the 4 words does not form one of my most readable responses. But I'm counting it!
Why call a category "V"acation Spots if the v can be anywhere? :roll: That hampered rather than helped me on the category - I know I would have gotten Galveston if I hadn't been back looking for a V to start.
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Post by davey » Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:38 pm

Kenny wrote:
I thought it was chippy for the judges not to accept "Bottom of the totem pole." Yes, "low man" is usually how it's expressed, but the former means exactly the same thing.
Except "bottom man on the totem pole" isn't the expression...However "lowest" seemed to be admirably removing the sexism from the expression so I would have accepted that... ;)

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Re: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by mcsheffrey » Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:39 pm

TenPoundHammer wrote:WLT Vatican at $400?
What is "WLT"? I haven't been able to find a definition anywhere. Based on context I think it has something to do with a clue that is valued incorrectly (or surprisingly) low.

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Post by doihavetoreally » Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:39 pm

Classic 1963 movie? - I got nothing.
Fat + spectacles - sounds like a boy from LotF, but dismissed it because it came up as FJ so recently.
I have not seen the movie, but I don't think piggy is a classic role.

I thought the lit category was tougher than usual.

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Post by davey » Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:46 pm

I'll admit that, before I got to the right response, "fat" made me think, "Is there a 'young Hitchcock' cameo in The Birds...?"

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Post by morbeedo » Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:47 pm

doihavetoreally wrote:Classic 1963 movie? - I got nothing.
Fat + spectacles - sounds like a boy from LotF, but dismissed it because it came up as FJ so recently.
I have not seen the movie, but I don't think piggy is a classic role.

I thought the lit category was tougher than usual.
Agreed. Went with The Graduate because I had nothing else.

LTAM and the champ keeps going back to the TOP 40 BEFORE & AFTER?? She either liked the category or wanted to run out the clock, or maybe just didn't have any strategy at all. 0/5 in Top 40.

Ran Greek words but that Lit category was evil.

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Post by opusthepenguin » Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:54 pm

doihavetoreally wrote:I thought the lit category was tougher than usual.
Definitely! When Amanda uncovered the DD in the $2000 spot, I was yelling at her to bet $5. They got stumped on the $800 and $1600 clues. Why would she bet more than the minimum on the hardest clue? Yeah, bet a lot if you're way behind and this dim hope is your best shot. Yeah, bet a few hundred to make it a runaway if it's the last clue and losing that much won't hurt you. But if you're narrowly ahead with two categories (minus a $400 clue) left on the board? Fuhgeddaboudit.

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Post by bbird » Wed Jan 04, 2017 10:17 pm

Between Dumb Down the Saying, Top 40 Before & After, "V Is a Letter of the Alphabet Used in Many Words," and yet another Lord of the Flies FJ, this game was just painful to watch. Oy.

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Post by goatman » Wed Jan 04, 2017 10:34 pm

This was instaget for goats- image of chubby ("husky!") kid with glasses getting murdered... J! loves this story and it just keeps coming back. Piggy was on quite recently, it's a revisit, but I can't find the reference in J-Archives looks like some games didn't get posted in Dec, looks like in forums it was 16 Nov <Digs through notes fruitlessly> :!:

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Post by jpr281 » Wed Jan 04, 2017 10:37 pm

Totally misread the FJ clue. I thought they were asking for the actor. No clue. And LOTF never entered my mind.
mcsheffrey wrote:
What is "WLT"?
What led to...

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Post by mxc_takeshi » Wed Jan 04, 2017 10:41 pm

34 right.

Object (2), Germany (4), TV (4), Dumb (2), Don "E" (3), Marie (4)
Interview (3), Greek (2), Top 40 (4), Novel (2), Early (1), "V"acation (3)

Lach Trash: Mary Tyler Moore Show, Maria Theresa, Vatican City, charisma, Les Miserables, Gangsta's Paradise by the Dashboard Light; DD: Bayeux Tapestry

I had no clue for FJ, but I knew it was Lord of the Flies when Alex mentioned Piggy.
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Post by trainman » Wed Jan 04, 2017 10:43 pm

mcsheffrey wrote:What is "WLT"? I haven't been able to find a definition anywhere. Based on context I think it has something to do with a clue that is valued incorrectly (or surprisingly) low.
No, it's one certain poster's abbreviation for "what led to?" If you'd like to answer any of these questions, you can use The Official TPH Education Thread. Or you can beat your head against a wall.

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Post by Maven » Wed Jan 04, 2017 10:56 pm

mxc_takeshi wrote:I had no clue for FJ, but I knew it was Lord of the Flies when Alex mentioned Piggy.
Thee and me...even though I was aware of the original 60's Lord Of The Flies, it never crossed my mind. And even if it did, I would have immediately dismissed it because, as quite a few have said, they had a LotF FJ! just a couple of months ago. Instead, 'young actor' made me kept racking my brains to try to come up with someone then in their 20s/30s instead of a child.
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Post by JayK33 » Wed Jan 04, 2017 10:57 pm

I got FJ almost immediately. A Christmas Story also came to mind for a brief second but of course, that's not from the '60's.

Surprised that none of the players got came up with the correct response.

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Post by davey » Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:12 pm

opusthepenguin wrote:
doihavetoreally wrote:I thought the lit category was tougher than usual.
Definitely! When Amanda uncovered the DD in the $2000 spot, I was yelling at her to bet $5. They got stumped on the $800 and $1600 clues. Why would she bet more than the minimum on the hardest clue? Yeah, bet a lot if you're way behind and this dim hope is your best shot. Yeah, bet a few hundred to make it a runaway if it's the last clue and losing that much won't hurt you. But if you're narrowly ahead with two categories (minus a $400 clue) left on the board? Fuhgeddaboudit.
IMO, the only one that was tricky was the Oliver-Twist-Jack Dawkins because the hero of Treasure Island is Jack Hawkins - I fell for that too, though Aunt Sally should have pointed me right. The Bennets, Renfield-Dracula, Huckleberry, all standard trivia. And I hardly consider the DD a literature clue - everybody who's seen Les Miserables remembers Gavroche.(Vulnerable kids - always classic roles!).. :)
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Post by davey » Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:14 pm

JayK33 wrote:I got FJ almost immediately. A Christmas Story also came to mind for a brief second but of course, that's not from the '60's.
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Post by seaborgium » Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:17 pm

Already I've gotten more FJs right this week than in any of the three previous weeks. LotF was the first thing I thought of, and it was my grudging response after I couldn't think of a comic strip character who fit the description.

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Post by Volante » Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:25 pm

rpg wrote: Hated that dumb down category, that totem pole one was just stupid. Also thought that FJ was just terrible. Lord of the Flies is not a popular, acclaimed, or at all notable movie, and is only "classic" in the sense that it's old.
Criterion released it on DVD, so I'm gonna have to throw the challenge flag on "not acclaimed" and "not notable" there.
https://www.criterion.com/films/563-lord-of-the-flies

On the flip side, it -did- take me about 10 seconds for that to click, though, and I wasn't such a Criterion buff I'd probably forget there -was- a movie version of it.

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Post by This Is Kirk! » Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:30 pm

Elijah Baley wrote:No offense to the Jeopardy writers, but I don't think they remotely understood the FJ category. Say what you will about the book or the movie, Piggy is not a classic movie role. For starters, when I think of a movie role, I think about the actor or actress, like Humphrey Bogart as Sam Spade or Rick Blaine.
Rick Blaine was my pre-call.

I said "The Sound of Music" because it was a movie from about the right time period that involved kids. Was pretty sure it was wrong, but better than nothing.

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Post by Category 13 » Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:43 pm

"You're (I'm) the low man on the totem pole" is a common metephore from an older generation. I knew what they were going for and had no problem with the clue.

Agree with what other commentors are saying about FJ being way out in left field, though. When I saw the category, I thought I'd end my 11 game missed FJ streak. Not with clues like that. The category should have been called: 'Great Moments in Cinema Obscurity'.

I also had a problem with the writers pinning a Wings song "from 1977", when Maybe I'm Amazed actually originated in 1970. I wouldn't have buzzed in because I had no idea what the first part of the B&A was on that clue, but I was sitting there scratching my head trying to think of a McCartney song from that year.
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