Wednesday, May 16, 2018 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

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Wednesday, May 16, 2018 Game Recap and Discussion [SPOILERS]

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Game Recap for Show #7763, 2018-05-16

2018 Teachers Tournament semifinal game 3.

CONTESTANTS
Katherine Saxby, a high school English and French teacher from Alameda, California
Jake Allen, a K-12 gifted and talented teacher from Eureka Springs, Arkansas
Larry Martin, a second grade teacher from Kansas City, Missouri

OPENING REMARKS
Alex: Thank you, Johnny. Hi, everyone. Two in the box, waiting to come back tomorrow to start our 2-day final match for $100,000. One of these three--Larry, Jake, or Katherine--will join them. Good luck. Here we go. Categories in play right now are...

JEOPARDY! ROUND CATEGORIES
FER SURE, IT'S THE VALLEY, DUDE (4/5)
FAST FOOD (5/5)
I HEAR VOICES (4/5)
ALPHABETIC HOMOPHONES (4/5)
ETIQUETTE (5/5)
THOSE DARN ETRUSCANS (4/5, including 1 missed Daily Double)

THE RIGHTS & THE WRONGS
Larry: 11 R (including 1 rebound), 0 W
Jake: 9 R, 2 W (including 1 DD)
Katherine: 6 R, 1 W

Clues revealed: 30
Triple Stumpers: 3
Jeopardy! Round Potential Lach Trash: $2,200



JEOPARDY! ROUND DAILY DOUBLE
Jake found the Daily Double on the 3rd clue. Larry had $800, Jake had $1,000, and Katherine had a deficit with -$800. Jake made it a True Daily Double, wagering $1,000.

THOSE DARN ETRUSCANS $600: The Etruscans mainly lived between the Arno River & this historic river farther south
(Jake: What is the Po?)

SCORES AT THE FIRST BREAK
Larry: $3,600
Jake: $1,600
Katherine: $600

CONTESTANT INTERVIEWS



Alex: Katherine Saxby is from Alameda. Now what's your favorite teaching method? I'd like to hear about it.

Katherine: Oh, I call it, "Start Smart, Get Smarter." Because as we learn, I like to have them teach me things as we go along. And that way I learn and they learn. And everybody's smarter at the end.

Alex: And it makes them feel a little better about themselves, right?

Katherine: Nice and comfortable, yes.

Alex: Okay, good for you.




Alex: Jake Allen, we keep introducing you as a gifted and talented teacher. Does that mean you're gifted and talented, or you're teaching students who are gifted and talented?

Jake: Well, as my father-in-law says, "You should be gifted to teach gifted." But I teach gifted and talented students. I make no claim as to my own status.

Alex: And what's special about them? How are they gifted?

Jake: They have what is called asynchronous development, so they are ahead of their same-age peers in intellectual ability, leadership, creativity. They require a lot of attention to get what they need.

Alex: I see. Okay.




Alex: Larry Martin, you teach second grade.

Larry: Yes.

Alex: You have a class newspaper, and didn't that factor into how you were gonna use your grant from Farmers Insurance?

Larry: Yes. We are the Martin's Marvels, and so the class newspaper, they named it many years ago The Marvel News. Marvel News, in over 20 years, has interviewed Bill Gates, David Beckham, President Obama.

Alex: And these are the kids who are doing the interviewing?

Larry: Every one of them is.

Alex: How old are these kids?

Larry: Seven and eight years old.

Alex: Holy smokes. They're bright.

Larry: They're sharp kids.

Alex: I'm sure. Yeah.

TRIPLE STUMPERS IN THE JEOPARDY! ROUND
ALPHABETIC HOMOPHONES $1000: The book "Man's Search for Meaning" says that he who has this word to live can bear almost any "how"

I HEAR VOICES $800: Phil Lamarr tried to get back, back to the past voicing this magic sword-wielding title guy who took on the wicked Aku

FER SURE, IT'S THE VALLEY, DUDE $400: The 1912 eruption of Katmai's Mount Novarupta created the Valley of Ten Thousand Smokes in this state
(Jake: What is Hawaii?)

SCORES AT THE END OF THE JEOPARDY! ROUND
Larry: $6,800
Jake: $3,400
Katherine: $2,800
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DOUBLE JEOPARDY! ROUND CATEGORIES
CITY OF THE NOVEL (4/5, including 1 missed Daily Double)
FLAGS (5/5, including 1 correct Daily Double)
MOVIE QUOTES (5/5)
SOCIOLOGY (4/5)
EUROPEAN PAINTINGS (5/5)
SORTA BEFORE & AFTER (5/5)

THE RIGHTS & THE WRONGS
Larry: 13 R (including 1 DD), 1 W
Jake: 7 R, 0 W
Katherine: 8 R, 2 W (including 1 DD)

Clues revealed: 30
Triple Stumpers: 1
Double Jeopardy! Round Potential Lach Trash: $1,200



FIRST DOUBLE JEOPARDY! ROUND DAILY DOUBLE
Larry snagged the next Daily Double on the 7th clue. Larry had $8,400, Jake had $5,800, and Katherine was at $3,200. Larry wagered $3,000.

FLAGS $1600: The flag of the United Nations has a map of the world framed by 2 of these

SECOND DOUBLE JEOPARDY! ROUND DAILY DOUBLE
It was Katherine who snatched up the last Daily Double of the game on the 9th clue. Larry had $11,400, Jake had $5,800, and Katherine was at $4,800. Katherine wagered $2,000.

CITY OF THE NOVEL $1600: "Fifty Shades of Grey" & "The Art of Racing in the Rain"
(Katherine: What is... Rome?)

TRIPLE STUMPERS IN THE DOUBLE JEOPARDY! ROUND
SOCIOLOGY $1200: Trobriand islanders trade these items, important in the plots of "Titanic" & "Anastasia"
(Larry: What are jewels?)
(Alex: Be more specific.)
(Larry: What are diamonds?)
(Katherine: What are lockets?)

SCORES ENTERING FINAL JEOPARDY!
Larry: $21,400
Jake: $12,600
Katherine: $9,200

FINAL JEOPARDY! CATEGORY
MYTHOLOGY

VENUSIAN MONOLOGUES/MARTIAN CHRONICLES
Crush for first place.
Larry: Wager $3,801 to cover Jake.
Jake: You have the hope of surpassing Larry if you come up with the correct response. Bet at least $8,801 to force Larry to wager to win while also protecting your position from being usurped by Katherine.
Katherine: Your only hope of a win is that you're the only one to give a correct response, so bet $9,198 or so, leaving a few bucks behind in case someone wagers it all.

FINAL JEOPARDY! CLUE
Ulysses & Menelaus were among those who emerged from the "womb" of this, called "tall as a mountain, ribbed with pine"

FINAL SCORES
Katherine: $9,200 - $9,000 = $200 (What is Athena?) (3rd place: $10,000)
Jake: $12,600 - $9,000 = $3,600 (What is Vesuvius?) (2nd place: $10,000)
Larry: $21,400 + $4,000 = $25,400 (What is the Trojan Horse? Yay, Marvels!) (Finalist)

Total Potential Lach Trash: $3,400

GAME DYNAMICS
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CORYAT SCORES
Larry: $20,000, 24 R (including 1 DD), 1 W
Jake: $13,600, 16 R, 2 W (including 1 DD)
Katherine: $11,200, 14 R, 3 W (including 1 DD)
Combined Coryat: $44,800

BATTING AVERAGES
Larry: 25/59 = .424
Jake: 16/59 = .271
Katherine: 14/59 = .237
Team: 55/63 = .873

MISCELLANEOUS INTERESTING CLUES
THOSE DARN ETRUSCANS $800: Etruscans gave the world the Tuscan order of architecture, most like this one that uses simple & austere columns
(Katherine: What is Ionic?)

THOSE DARN ETRUSCANS $1000: Like a certain Greek divinity, Tinia wielded this, a discharge of lightning
(Jake: What is thunder?)
(Alex: Be more specific.)

FLAGS $1200: (Kelly of the Clue Crew shows a flag flying on the monitor.) The part of the flag farthest from the staff is called the fly; the part closest to the staff, used to raise the flag, is called this, also a verb meaning "to raise a flag"

FLAGS $2000: The blue triangle on the flag of this relatively new nation represents the Nile

EUROPEAN PAINTINGS $2000: One of the most expensive still lifes ever sold at auction was this Frenchman's "Curtain, Pitcher and Bowl of Fruit"

EUROPEAN PAINTINGS $1200: This artist, who gave us "This is Not a Pipe", combined 2 of his most famous images here

CORRECT RESPONSES
the Tiber
the why
Samurai Jack
Alaska
olive branches
Seattle
necklaces
the Trojan Horse
Doric
thunderbolt
hoist
South Sudan
Cezanne
(René) Magritte
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FINAL JEOPARDY! CATEGORY
MYTHOLOGY

FINAL JEOPARDY! CLUE
Ulysses & Menelaus were among those who emerged from the “womb” of this, called “tall as a mountain, ribbed with pine”

Larry Martin: 21400+4000=25400 (Finalist)
Jake Allen: 12600-9000=3600
Katherine Saxby: 9200-9000=200

Correct response:
Spoiler
Trojan Horse (Jake – Vesuvius) (Katherine – Athena)

Daily Doubles
Jake: 1000-1000
Larry: 8400+3000
Katherine: 4800-2000

Coryats
Larry: 20000
Jake: 13600
Katherine: 11200

Combined: 44,800

Scores at the end of the Jeopardy! Round
Larry: 6800
Jake: 3400
Katherine: 2800
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Larry was 2/2 on big clues while his opponents were each 0/2 to make it a clear-cut and clean path to the finals. The game was so easy for him he had time to draw eyebrows, a mustache and add "Yay, Marvels!" to his correct response.

Back to .500 for the tourney for me as I was lost on the FJ! clue for a reasonable guess. I knew not to write Mt. Olympus and from there I had nothing better than writing, “Mausoleum” for an embarrassing miss. It was such a “Doh!” moment when Larry’s response was shown. Oh, of course. My bad.
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Menelaus was the key for me here. I had some trouble parsing the second half of the clue, but I remembered Menelaus's connection with the Trojan War which gave me Trojan Horse, and the second half of the clue confirmed this.
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"Pine" was what gave it to me.
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MinnesotaMyron wrote: Wed May 16, 2018 2:31 pm "Pine" was what gave it to me.
Same here. Particularly when paired with Ulysses and Menelaus. Another case of smart folks overthinking it?? Because this seemed like another pretty easy FJ.
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Nothing at all came to me on this FJ.

At least everyone made wagers that gave them a chance to win.
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Wpwells wrote: Wed May 16, 2018 12:00 pm Menelaus was the key for me here. I had some trouble parsing the second half of the clue, but I remembered Menelaus's connection with the Trojan War which gave me Trojan Horse, and the second half of the clue confirmed this.
Pretty much how I came up with it too, I was lost at first.
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My first association of Menelaus is from O Brother Where Art Thou?: Gov. Menelaus "Pass the biscuits" "Pappy" O'Daniel. But that was enough (with Ulysses) to get me to the Trojan War and then the Trojan Horse.
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tiwonge wrote: Wed May 16, 2018 6:58 pm My first association of Menelaus is from O Brother Where Art Thou?: Gov. Menelaus "Pass the biscuits" "Pappy" O'Daniel. But that was enough (with Ulysses) to get me to the Trojan War and then the Trojan Horse.
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SOCIOLOGY $800 : First communion can be this type of 3-word ritual representing a change from one role to another.

Does a response of "Coming-of-age" work for you guys? (EDIT: Or "Coming of age" -- no hyphens -- rather.)

As for final, Ulysses/Menelaus led me to the Iliad, but I couldn't really think of anything beyond "Troy" and sat there through most of the think music knowing that couldn't be right. It was only towards the end that I realized what the correct response was ("pine" helped, indeed) and wrote it down.
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Saturnalia wrote: Wed May 16, 2018 7:32 pm SOCIOLOGY $800 : First communion can be this type of 3-word ritual representing a change from one role to another.

Does a response of "Coming-of-age" work for you guys? (EDIT: Or "Coming of age" -- no hyphens -- rather.)
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I'm on pace for the box of shame. :cry:
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I went with the other mythical Greek wooden vessel - the Argo. I knew there were a lot of famous Argonauts, but apparently neither Ulysses or Menelaus.
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Most overvalued clue ever--spotting the initials "BK" in a fast food category on a fourth-row clue.
Glad to see the return of Those Darn Etruscans.
Sussed out FJ, not an instaget tho.
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DBear wrote: Wed May 16, 2018 8:53 pm Most overvalued clue ever--spotting the initials "BK" in a fast food category on a fourth-row clue.
Yeah, that was pretty egregious.

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I know nothing about Etruscans except the "Those Darn" running gag, so the entire category was a million miles over my head. Saw no way to figure out Romans in the top box.

"Jewels" -> "necklaces" was yet another bogus BMS, especially since it misled them down the "diamonds" path. Do they just BMS at random now?

FJ! was a total word salad to me. I couldn't even begin to decipher it. "Ribbed with pine" in particular was throwing me for a loop.
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Bamaman wrote: Wed May 16, 2018 4:43 pm At least everyone made wagers that gave them a chance to win.
Sure, just not the best chance to win. In a SF game why would a challenger from way back bet anything other than everything? That should be common sense.

Should be.
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I got FJ, but it took a while. I had to get the image of concentric rings of pine trees out of my mind. Ribs led to ship led to wooden constructs. Combined with the names, that led me to the Trojan Horse.
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