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The Official TPH Education Thread (POTENTIAL GAME DAY SPOILERS)
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Re: The Official TPH Education Thread (POTENTIAL GAME DAY SPOILERS)
Seriously. "It sounds like ____" is inherently subjective. The only way to figure this FJ! out at all is with a completely ex-recto hunch just because one of the words is almost a cognate.
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And yet it works for just about everyone but you as a path to solving clues. Think of it like facial recognition. Most people have it, a few don't.TenPoundHammer wrote: ↑Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:42 pm Seriously. "It sounds like ____" is inherently subjective.
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TenPoundHammer wrote: ↑Wed Jun 06, 2018 8:05 pm I know the names of all the chess pieces in both English and Spanish. But not a single one of those sounded even remotely like any of them.
Um, no. He didn't. You did.
The fact that you understand that cognates exist disproves the rest of your statement. Rainha is absolutely a cognate of reina.TenPoundHammer wrote: ↑Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:42 pm Seriously. "It sounds like ____" is inherently subjective. The only way to figure this FJ! out at all is with a completely ex-recto hunch just because one of the words is almost a cognate.
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Re: The Official TPH Education Thread (POTENTIAL GAME DAY SPOILERS)
And so has just about everyone else that got it right. "I got it because rainha sounded almost vaguely like any word for queen".BigDaddyMatty wrote: ↑Thu Jun 07, 2018 3:53 amTenPoundHammer wrote: ↑Wed Jun 06, 2018 8:05 pm I know the names of all the chess pieces in both English and Spanish. But not a single one of those sounded even remotely like any of them.Um, no. He didn't. You did.
False cognates exist too. Is there any reason I should not expect a false cognate?BigDaddyMatty wrote: ↑Thu Jun 07, 2018 3:53 amThe fact that you understand that cognates exist disproves the rest of your statement. Rainha is absolutely a cognate of reina.TenPoundHammer wrote: ↑Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:42 pm Seriously. "It sounds like ____" is inherently subjective. The only way to figure this FJ! out at all is with a completely ex-recto hunch just because one of the words is almost a cognate.
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I'd love to get a psychiatrist to opine on this thread.
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None whatsoever. Cognates have absolutely no utility in solving clues. You should not take them into consideration.TenPoundHammer wrote: ↑Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:30 amFalse cognates exist too. Is there any reason I should not expect a false cognate?BigDaddyMatty wrote: ↑Thu Jun 07, 2018 3:53 am The fact that you understand that cognates exist disproves the rest of your statement. Rainha is absolutely a cognate of reina.
Re: The Official TPH Education Thread (POTENTIAL GAME DAY SPOILERS)
Then why is everyone saying they got this one from recognizing a cognate for queen?opusthepenguin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 07, 2018 10:27 amNone whatsoever. Cognates have absolutely no utility in solving clues. You should not take them into consideration.TenPoundHammer wrote: ↑Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:30 amFalse cognates exist too. Is there any reason I should not expect a false cognate?BigDaddyMatty wrote: ↑Thu Jun 07, 2018 3:53 am The fact that you understand that cognates exist disproves the rest of your statement. Rainha is absolutely a cognate of reina.
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Forget about "sounds like," wouldn't you say reina and rainha look similar? I guess I already know the answer, so never mind...
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We're all very lucky when we make wild random guesses. There is no other rational explanation.TenPoundHammer wrote: ↑Thu Jun 07, 2018 10:28 amThen why is everyone saying they got this one from recognizing a cognate for queen?opusthepenguin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 07, 2018 10:27 amNone whatsoever. Cognates have absolutely no utility in solving clues. You should not take them into consideration.TenPoundHammer wrote: ↑Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:30 amFalse cognates exist too. Is there any reason I should not expect a false cognate?BigDaddyMatty wrote: ↑Thu Jun 07, 2018 3:53 am The fact that you understand that cognates exist disproves the rest of your statement. Rainha is absolutely a cognate of reina.
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So is that the only way to solve this?This Is Kirk! wrote: Forget about "sounds like," wouldn't you say reina and rainha look similar? I guess I already know the answer, so never mind...
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The definitive way would be to know one of those words means "queen" in English. If you don't know that, realizing they're all similar to another word you DO know means "queen" in English seem like the best path. Failing that perhaps you might think, "hey these look a little like the English word 'reign.' Kings and queens both reign, but the 'a' ending points to it being feminine."TenPoundHammer wrote: ↑Thu Jun 07, 2018 2:33 pmSo is that the only way to solve this?This Is Kirk! wrote: Forget about "sounds like," wouldn't you say reina and rainha look similar? I guess I already know the answer, so never mind...
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So if you saw a sign on a building in London that said "theatre," you'd have no clue what might be inside the building?TenPoundHammer wrote: ↑Thu Jun 07, 2018 2:33 pmSo is that the only way to solve this?This Is Kirk! wrote: Forget about "sounds like," wouldn't you say reina and rainha look similar? I guess I already know the answer, so never mind...
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That depends. What colour is the theatre?Elijah Baley wrote: ↑Thu Jun 07, 2018 6:09 pmSo if you saw a sign on a building in London that said "theatre," you'd have no clue what might be inside the building?TenPoundHammer wrote: ↑Thu Jun 07, 2018 2:33 pmSo is that the only way to solve this?This Is Kirk! wrote: Forget about "sounds like," wouldn't you say reina and rainha look similar? I guess I already know the answer, so never mind...
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Re: The Official TPH Education Thread (POTENTIAL GAME DAY SPOILERS)
British English isn't an entirely different language from what I speak, though.
If I were in Croatia and saw a kazalište (thank you, Google Translate), I'd have no idea what it was.
If I were in Croatia and saw a kazalište (thank you, Google Translate), I'd have no idea what it was.
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As soon as there's a FJ! that requires you to know a random Croatian word with no connection to English or any language commonly taught in U.S. schools, you'll have a legitimate gripe.TenPoundHammer wrote: ↑Thu Jun 07, 2018 8:04 pm British English isn't an entirely different language from what I speak, though.
If I were in Croatia and saw a kazalište (thank you, Google Translate), I'd have no idea what it was.
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Just as Portuguese, French and Italian, for example, aren't always that different from Spanish, which you claim to have some knowledge of.TenPoundHammer wrote: ↑Thu Jun 07, 2018 8:04 pm British English isn't an entirely different language from what I speak, though.
So if you saw "cozinha" when in Portugal or "cucina" in Italy (or in a Jeopardy clue), saying either of them out loud - even if you're mispronouncing - it's likely to sound like "cochina." Even in the absence of any other clues, it's most likely going to still mean "kitchen." (Heck, you could even get it from Polish, of all things: kuchinia).
If you could get past this block that considers educated guessing as immoral, sinful, depraved, illegal, criminal, scandalous, scurrilous, unseemly or just downright unthinkable, that is.