It's possible I'm wrong, but I doubt special instructions would be given for a clue where two people could be confused whose names are spelled differently, even if they are homophones. If that's the case then it's relevant.gnash wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:59 pmYou can't be ruled wrong for misspelling that can reasonably be pronounced as the correct answer, let alone for one that actually is pronounced the same. Therefore, the fact that Pete Seeger and Bob Seger spell their last names differently is completely irrelevant.This Is Kirk! wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:51 pmWell, I think it did. They wouldn't have needed to give special instructions had the actual correct response been Seeger, a name that is spelled differently than Seger.
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I just discovered Danielle Bregoli, and I can't stop saying cash me oussideCasketRomance wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:32 pmi don't get the correlationmorbeedo wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:27 pmcash me ousside, howbow dah?CasketRomance wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:25 pmmight want to rethink your life if you are that emotionally invested over a jeopardy contestantjeopardyfan939 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:29 pm Thing is I've still been rather upset to this day that James lost and fell short of Ken's record, and what really made me upset was Monday's episode got leaked on social media last weekend.
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Why would they not give special instructions? I'd think they would, if anything, be more called for. Imagine all the angry viewers complaining that the wrong answer of Seger was accepted for Seeger (or vice versa). Surely the producers would want to avoid that.This Is Kirk! wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:04 pmIt's possible I'm wrong, but I doubt special instructions would be given for a clue where two people could be confused whose names are spelled differently, even if they are homophones. If that's the case then it's relevant.gnash wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:59 pmYou can't be ruled wrong for misspelling that can reasonably be pronounced as the correct answer, let alone for one that actually is pronounced the same. Therefore, the fact that Pete Seeger and Bob Seger spell their last names differently is completely irrelevant.This Is Kirk! wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:51 pmWell, I think it did. They wouldn't have needed to give special instructions had the actual correct response been Seeger, a name that is spelled differently than Seger.
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I'm kind of on the fence. It wouldn't surprise me to see them accept just "Who is Seeger?" for Pete. (And I'm sure they would also accept "Who is Pete Seger?" Are we all on the same page on that one?) It would surprise me to see them accept just "Who is Guthrie?" for Woody G. So a pre-FJ instruction to be specific would tilt me mildly toward W. Guthrie if the clue seemed like a coin flip between him and P. Seeger. But I wouldn't go so far as to say, "Can't be Pete because otherwise they would NEVER have issued that instruction." I'm just not that confident. So I agree with Gnash that the existence of Bob Seger "complicates" this line of reasoning, even if it doesn't completely invalidate it.This Is Kirk! wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:04 pmIt's possible I'm wrong, but I doubt special instructions would be given for a clue where two people could be confused whose names are spelled differently, even if they are homophones. If that's the case then it's relevant.gnash wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:59 pmYou can't be ruled wrong for misspelling that can reasonably be pronounced as the correct answer, let alone for one that actually is pronounced the same. Therefore, the fact that Pete Seeger and Bob Seger spell their last names differently is completely irrelevant.This Is Kirk! wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:51 pmWell, I think it did. They wouldn't have needed to give special instructions had the actual correct response been Seeger, a name that is spelled differently than Seger.
There is no record in the archive of Bob or Pete being the correct response to any FJ. Which proves my point. They've studiously avoided the issue by making sure it never comes up.
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One of the people I ran through while solving this one correctly was Jimmie Rodgers, the Singing Brakeman. An instruction would be necessary if they needed to distinguish him from the unrelated 1950s/60s folk/pop singer (known for such hits as "Kisses Sweeter Than Wine" and "Oh Oh I'm Falling in Love Again"). I reasoned that Woody Guthrie was much more likely to be praised by Steinbeck (OK connection, leftist politics) than Rodgers. (Interestingly, Jimmie Rodgers was the real name of both of them.)This Is Kirk! wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:31 amNot if you know the two spell their names differently, though.gnash wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:05 amThe existence of Bob Seger complicates this line of reasoning. Steinbeck is a far stronger hint.Giannid wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:00 amI was down between Woody Guthrie and Pete Seeger - went with Pete Seeger. However, if I had got pre-instructions about needing a first and last name, it would have been an instaget for Woody Guthrie. If someone had just written "Guthrie" by itself, I also think they wouldopusthepenguin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:18 pmI thought of Arlo but only in the context of wondering what they'd do with "Who is Guthrie?" I was hoping one of the three would try it so I could find out. I'm definitely on the side that says there's no way they should accept it, and I doubt they would. I also agree that a pre-FJ instruction would have tipped their hand too much.
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57 R (Missed Moonroof, Green Hornet(Bad Miss), and Commode.)
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California a STUMPER?!?!?
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California a STUMPER?!?!?
Nikon was also a surprising stumper.
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In my job in a used record store I've been processing a large folk collection with titles from Peggy Seeger and Mike Seeger. They are half-siblings of Pete Seeger.
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Yes, I think I can live with that. In any event I don't think I'd have a chance to run down that thought process fully in 30 seconds.opusthepenguin wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:17 pm So a pre-FJ instruction to be specific would tilt me mildly toward W. Guthrie if the clue seemed like a coin flip between him and P. Seeger. But I wouldn't go so far as to say, "Can't be Pete because otherwise they would NEVER have issued that instruction." I'm just not that confident.
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Grapes of Wrath is "some obscure novel"?Peter the accountant wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:17 pm Missed this episode (thanks again, KABC and NBA), so only read FJ here. I was way out in the weeds. I never heard the quote from Steinbeck, so couldn't solve it directly. The best I could do was tie in to the beginnings of the civil rights movement in the 50s. (Which, in hindsight, is the right general direction.) I didn't think Steinbeck was alive in the 60's, so that's a fail on my part. I was going down the track of Black musicians, which had me thinking of Otis Redding and BB King. Picked BB, since I was sure he played guitar. But I was too far down the Jazz rabbit hole and not enough on the Folk (and potentially not-black) side of things.
That Oklahoma connection between Steinbeck and Woody makes no sense to me. (Sorry for sounding like TPH here.) Yes, Woodie is from there and Steinbeck wrote some obscure novel about people from Oklahoma. But that's a pretty darn low TOM, if you ask me.
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flemmingfan wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 2:36 pmGrapes of Wrath is "some obscure novel"?Peter the accountant wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:17 pm Missed this episode (thanks again, KABC and NBA), so only read FJ here. I was way out in the weeds. I never heard the quote from Steinbeck, so couldn't solve it directly. The best I could do was tie in to the beginnings of the civil rights movement in the 50s. (Which, in hindsight, is the right general direction.) I didn't think Steinbeck was alive in the 60's, so that's a fail on my part. I was going down the track of Black musicians, which had me thinking of Otis Redding and BB King. Picked BB, since I was sure he played guitar. But I was too far down the Jazz rabbit hole and not enough on the Folk (and potentially not-black) side of things.
That Oklahoma connection between Steinbeck and Woody makes no sense to me. (Sorry for sounding like TPH here.) Yes, Woodie is from there and Steinbeck wrote some obscure novel about people from Oklahoma. But that's a pretty darn low TOM, if you ask me.
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Sure, Steinbeck is a key hint. My first thought was Dylan, but with Steinbeck, I figured it was somebody popular before Dylan. So then I thought of Dylan's idol, Woody Guthrie, but all I cold think about was "This Land is Your Land", and didn't think it was song about oppression. Pete Seeger did some protest songs if I recall, and so I went with him. Again, if there had been pre-instructions about first and last names, I would have thought definitely Woody Guthrie because he was Iconic from Steinbeck's era, and had a son, Arlo, who was popular around 1970 (too late for Steinbeck's time) which would have confirmed the pre-clue instructions if there were any. As to Bob Seger, a rock star from the 1970's and 80's, he wouldn't have been a consideration. Plus he spells his name differently from Pete Seeger.gnash wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:05 amThe existence of Bob Seger complicates this line of reasoning. Steinbeck is a far stronger hint.Giannid wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:00 amI was down between Woody Guthrie and Pete Seeger - went with Pete Seeger. However, if I had got pre-instructions about needing a first and last name, it would have been an instaget for Woody Guthrie. If someone had just written "Guthrie" by itself, I also think they wouldopusthepenguin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:18 pmI thought of Arlo but only in the context of wondering what they'd do with "Who is Guthrie?" I was hoping one of the three would try it so I could find out. I'm definitely on the side that says there's no way they should accept it, and I doubt they would. I also agree that a pre-FJ instruction would have tipped their hand too much.
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I was rooting for Emma to lose. Unfortunately, the woman from Alabama I was rooting for to win also lost.
I got Guthrie from the Okie connection and added a W in front of his surname.
I got Guthrie from the Okie connection and added a W in front of his surname.
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How about Woody and the even more enduring success of "This Land Is Your Land"?
The verse they didn't teach you in school, on Woody's recording:
There was a big high wall there, That tried to stop me
The sign was painted, Said "Private Property"
But on the back side, it didn't say nothing
This land was made for you and me
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FWIW, Bob Seger is older than Arlo Guthrie, and has been making music at least as long, though it took him longer to become well-known. Both are too recent to be mentioned by Steinbeck. (True, Alice's Restaurant was released about a year before Steinbeck's death, but that's a real stretch.)Giannid wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 4:31 pmSure, Steinbeck is a key hint. My first thought was Dylan, but with Steinbeck, I figured it was somebody popular before Dylan. So then I thought of Dylan's idol, Woody Guthrie, but all I cold think about was "This Land is Your Land", and didn't think it was song about oppression. Pete Seeger did some protest songs if I recall, and so I went with him. Again, if there had been pre-instructions about first and last names, I would have thought definitely Woody Guthrie because he was Iconic from Steinbeck's era, and had a son, Arlo, who was popular around 1970 (too late for Steinbeck's time) which would have confirmed the pre-clue instructions if there were any. As to Bob Seger, a rock star from the 1970's and 80's, he wouldn't have been a consideration. Plus he spells his name differently from Pete Seeger.gnash wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:05 amThe existence of Bob Seger complicates this line of reasoning. Steinbeck is a far stronger hint.Giannid wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:00 amI was down between Woody Guthrie and Pete Seeger - went with Pete Seeger. However, if I had got pre-instructions about needing a first and last name, it would have been an instaget for Woody Guthrie. If someone had just written "Guthrie" by itself, I also think they wouldopusthepenguin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:18 pmI thought of Arlo but only in the context of wondering what they'd do with "Who is Guthrie?" I was hoping one of the three would try it so I could find out. I'm definitely on the side that says there's no way they should accept it, and I doubt they would. I also agree that a pre-FJ instruction would have tipped their hand too much.
have to rule against it.
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I came across this song the other week and was knocked out by it.gnash wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 4:49 pmFWIW, Bob Seger is older than Arlo Guthrie, and has been making music at least as long, though it took him longer to become well-known. Both are too recent to be mentioned by Steinbeck. (True, Alice's Restaurant was released about a year before Steinbeck's death, but that's a real stretch.)Giannid wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 4:31 pmSure, Steinbeck is a key hint. My first thought was Dylan, but with Steinbeck, I figured it was somebody popular before Dylan. So then I thought of Dylan's idol, Woody Guthrie, but all I cold think about was "This Land is Your Land", and didn't think it was song about oppression. Pete Seeger did some protest songs if I recall, and so I went with him. Again, if there had been pre-instructions about first and last names, I would have thought definitely Woody Guthrie because he was Iconic from Steinbeck's era, and had a son, Arlo, who was popular around 1970 (too late for Steinbeck's time) which would have confirmed the pre-clue instructions if there were any. As to Bob Seger, a rock star from the 1970's and 80's, he wouldn't have been a consideration. Plus he spells his name differently from Pete Seeger.gnash wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:05 amThe existence of Bob Seger complicates this line of reasoning. Steinbeck is a far stronger hint.Giannid wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:00 amI was down between Woody Guthrie and Pete Seeger - went with Pete Seeger. However, if I had got pre-instructions about needing a first and last name, it would have been an instaget for Woody Guthrie. If someone had just written "Guthrie" by itself, I also think they wouldopusthepenguin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:18 pmI thought of Arlo but only in the context of wondering what they'd do with "Who is Guthrie?" I was hoping one of the three would try it so I could find out. I'm definitely on the side that says there's no way they should accept it, and I doubt they would. I also agree that a pre-FJ instruction would have tipped their hand too much.
have to rule against it.
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Remember that line about The Eagles in The Big Lebowski? That's how I feel about Bob Seger.
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I learned a number of years ago that the original lyrics were, “From California to Staten Island” and there were several unflattering, political verses seldom recorded.
http://www.chimesfreedom.com/2012/06/06 ... dy-at-100/
http://www.chimesfreedom.com/2012/06/06 ... dy-at-100/
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Thank you, sir. My partner feels much the same way. He watched the entire four hour “History of the Eagles” with me, then turned to me and said, “We didn’t need that band.”