I add a few more just to be extra cautious in case they do indeed show up one of these days as we have added a few things to the J! Canon recently.MinnesotaMyron wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 7:25 pm Was it necessary to quote that entire post?
That being said, I agree with your premise. This is intended to be a reference thread. LSV has provided some good stuff, but there's also been some sketchy and/or irrelevant-for-Jeopardy info too. Editing posts with corrections is all well and good, but maybe hit the J-Archive to confirm the veracity of your facts before posting.
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You're doing good work. The bit about Garcia Lorca helped clear up my confusion between him and Vargas Llosa, which is super helpful. Don't think I don't appreciate what you're doing. But wrong info helps no one. Make like Archie Bell and also the Drells and tighten it up!LucarioSnooperVixey wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 8:10 pmI add a few more just to be extra cautious in case they do indeed show up one of these days as we have added a few things to the J! Canon recently.MinnesotaMyron wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 7:25 pm Was it necessary to quote that entire post?
That being said, I agree with your premise. This is intended to be a reference thread. LSV has provided some good stuff, but there's also been some sketchy and/or irrelevant-for-Jeopardy info too. Editing posts with corrections is all well and good, but maybe hit the J-Archive to confirm the veracity of your facts before posting.
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LucarioSnooperVixey wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 8:10 pmCautious is not the word I would use, since the one correction I see you've made is still not right. It's The Dark at the Top of the Stairs....I hope nobody's waiting around for the revival of Peter Shaffer's play Brother Anthony...!MinnesotaMyron wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 7:25 pm Was it necessary to quote that entire post?
That being said, I agree with your premise. This is intended to be a reference thread. LSV has provided some good stuff, but there's also been some sketchy and/or irrelevant-for-Jeopardy info too. Editing posts with corrections is all well and good, but maybe hit the J-Archive to confirm the veracity of your facts before posting.
I add a few more just to be extra cautious in case they do indeed show up one of these days as we have added a few things to the J! Canon recently.
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Literature
United States
Civil Disobedience, Walden == Henry David Thoreau
Leaves of Grass, Song of Myself, O Captain My Captain == Walt Whitman
Song of Hiawatha, The Wreck of the Hesperus, The Midnight Ride of Paul Revere == Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
Maine, Miles Corey, The House on the Hill == Edward Arlington Robinson
Trees == Joyce Kilmer
The New Colossus == Emma Lazarus
Sage of Baltimore == H. L. Mencken
All the King's Men == Robert Penn Warren
First African-American US Poet Laureate for Congress == Rita Dove
Female poet, James Baldwin == Nikki Giovanni(Although she might be a novelist.)
Maine, Female, Early 20th century, First Fig, etc. == Edna St. Vincent Millay
Candy is Dandy, but Liquor is Quicker == Ogden Nash
Female, 18th century, New England == Phyllis Wheatley
Wheelbarrow, This is Just to Say == William Carlos Williams
Female, 17th century, The Tenth Muse, Lately Sprung Up in America == Anne Bradstreet
Harlem Renaissance == Langston Hughes
United Kingdom
Romantic Poets: Lord Byron: She Walks in Beauty, Childe Harold, Fought for Greek Independence
Percy Bysshe Shelley: Ozymandias, Ode to the West Wind, Drowned off the coast of Italy
John Keats: Ode to a Nightingale, Ode on a Grecian Urn, Ode to Psyche, Ode to Autumn, Endymion, La Belle Damme San Merci
Samuel Taylor Coleridge: The Rime of the Ancient Mariner, Kublai Khan
William Wordsworth: I wandered lonely as a cloud., Tintern Abbey, A View From Westminster Bridge
How do I love thee?, Sonnets from the Portuguese == Elizabeth Barrett Browning
The Pied Piper of Hamelin, Pippa's Passing, Andrea del Sarto == Robert Browning
Father Brown == G. K. Chesterton
A Shropshire Lad == A. E. Houseman
17th century, Death be Not Proud, For Whom the Bell Tolls, No Man is an Island == John Donne
17th century, Paradise Lost, Paradise Regained == John Milton
16th century, Astrophel and Stella == Sir Philip Sidney
The Pilgrim's Progress == John Bunyan
17th century, To His Coy Mistress == Andrew Marvell
Elegy Written in a Country Churchyard == Thomas Gray
First Poet Laureate == John Dryden
Funeral Blues == W. H. Auden
Berlin Stories == Christopher Isherwood
Anthem for Doomed Youth, Dulce et Ducorem Est == Wilfred Owen
The Soldier, The Old Vicarage Grantchester == Rupert Brooke
Nonsense Verse, The Owl and the Pussycat, The Dong with a Luminous Nose, The Tiger that Came to Tea == Edward Lear
Three Men in a Boat == Jerome K. Jerome
Paul Clifford == Edward Bulwar-Lytton
Irish Poet == William Butler Yeats
France
Les Fleurs du Mal(The Flowers of Evil) == Charles Beaudelaire
Paul Verlaine/Arthur Rimbaud
Bel-Ami, The Necklace == Guy de Maupassant
"Steak" == Chateaubriand
16th century essayist == Michel de Montagne
Surrealist Manifesto == Andre Breton
19th century German poet == Rainier Maria Rilke
Chilean Poet, Songs of Love and Despair == Pablo Neruda
Female Chilean poet, Nobel Laureate == Gabriela Mistral
Peruvian novelist, Nobel Laureate == Mario Vargas Llosa
Medieval, Female == Hildegard von Bingen
United States
Civil Disobedience, Walden == Henry David Thoreau
Leaves of Grass, Song of Myself, O Captain My Captain == Walt Whitman
Song of Hiawatha, The Wreck of the Hesperus, The Midnight Ride of Paul Revere == Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
Maine, Miles Corey, The House on the Hill == Edward Arlington Robinson
Trees == Joyce Kilmer
The New Colossus == Emma Lazarus
Sage of Baltimore == H. L. Mencken
All the King's Men == Robert Penn Warren
First African-American US Poet Laureate for Congress == Rita Dove
Female poet, James Baldwin == Nikki Giovanni(Although she might be a novelist.)
Maine, Female, Early 20th century, First Fig, etc. == Edna St. Vincent Millay
Candy is Dandy, but Liquor is Quicker == Ogden Nash
Female, 18th century, New England == Phyllis Wheatley
Wheelbarrow, This is Just to Say == William Carlos Williams
Female, 17th century, The Tenth Muse, Lately Sprung Up in America == Anne Bradstreet
Harlem Renaissance == Langston Hughes
United Kingdom
Romantic Poets: Lord Byron: She Walks in Beauty, Childe Harold, Fought for Greek Independence
Percy Bysshe Shelley: Ozymandias, Ode to the West Wind, Drowned off the coast of Italy
John Keats: Ode to a Nightingale, Ode on a Grecian Urn, Ode to Psyche, Ode to Autumn, Endymion, La Belle Damme San Merci
Samuel Taylor Coleridge: The Rime of the Ancient Mariner, Kublai Khan
William Wordsworth: I wandered lonely as a cloud., Tintern Abbey, A View From Westminster Bridge
How do I love thee?, Sonnets from the Portuguese == Elizabeth Barrett Browning
The Pied Piper of Hamelin, Pippa's Passing, Andrea del Sarto == Robert Browning
Father Brown == G. K. Chesterton
A Shropshire Lad == A. E. Houseman
17th century, Death be Not Proud, For Whom the Bell Tolls, No Man is an Island == John Donne
17th century, Paradise Lost, Paradise Regained == John Milton
16th century, Astrophel and Stella == Sir Philip Sidney
The Pilgrim's Progress == John Bunyan
17th century, To His Coy Mistress == Andrew Marvell
Elegy Written in a Country Churchyard == Thomas Gray
First Poet Laureate == John Dryden
Funeral Blues == W. H. Auden
Berlin Stories == Christopher Isherwood
Anthem for Doomed Youth, Dulce et Ducorem Est == Wilfred Owen
The Soldier, The Old Vicarage Grantchester == Rupert Brooke
Nonsense Verse, The Owl and the Pussycat, The Dong with a Luminous Nose, The Tiger that Came to Tea == Edward Lear
Three Men in a Boat == Jerome K. Jerome
Paul Clifford == Edward Bulwar-Lytton
Irish Poet == William Butler Yeats
France
Les Fleurs du Mal(The Flowers of Evil) == Charles Beaudelaire
Paul Verlaine/Arthur Rimbaud
Bel-Ami, The Necklace == Guy de Maupassant
"Steak" == Chateaubriand
16th century essayist == Michel de Montagne
Surrealist Manifesto == Andre Breton
19th century German poet == Rainier Maria Rilke
Chilean Poet, Songs of Love and Despair == Pablo Neruda
Female Chilean poet, Nobel Laureate == Gabriela Mistral
Peruvian novelist, Nobel Laureate == Mario Vargas Llosa
Medieval, Female == Hildegard von Bingen
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...and essays, and detective stories, and travel writing...LucarioSnooperVixey wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 10:06 pm EDITED BY MOD to cut out repeat of long post. PLEASE do not quote long posts unless absolutely necessary.
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First US Poet Laureate, All the King's Men == Robert Penn Warren
First Female US Poet Laureate == Rita Dove
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I applaud your effort but think you may be a little too generous in your interpretation of Pavlov in this context. I can't say I ever heard of "Dulce et Ducorem Est" and don't have any reason for it to trigger a Pavlovian reaction. Should I know who wrote it? Maybe. Should I really drill it in? For me, not worth my time when there are far more common things I should be working on.
Plenty of good stuff in your list so let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater, but perhaps a narrower view (for the purpose of this thread) would be warranted.
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been thinking of how to put just this in a good way.heppm01 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2019 10:03 amI applaud your effort but think you may be a little too generous in your interpretation of Pavlov in this context. I can't say I ever heard of "Dulce et Ducorem Est" and don't have any reason for it to trigger a Pavlovian reaction. Should I know who wrote it? Maybe. Should I really drill it in? For me, not worth my time when there are far more common things I should be working on.
Plenty of good stuff in your list so let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater, but perhaps a narrower view (for the purpose of this thread) would be warranted.
Pavlov's should be things that come up often on the show, not rarities, or might be on someday, or x always reminds me of y
Other than Scottish poet = Rrrrrrrrobbie Burrrrrrrns, the best example I can think of is Carmen by Bizet. Not that I checked, but I would say this one shows up in at least 85% of the Opera categories. In other words, you can pretty much count on it coming up if Opera is a category.
Here are the Pavlov's:
So best to remember Bizet = Carmen and Carmen = Bizet
Cigarette Song = Carmen (which = Bizet)
Spanish opera = Carmen
Spanish opera composer = Bizet
Gypsy = Carmen
anything more is too detailed or obscure and enough less likely to come up that it isn't worth being a Pavlov, such as based on a French novel.
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Yeah, I would characterize a Pavlov as a phrase where there could be more than one answer, but there’s only one there really is any chance of being asked. On Jeopardy, if they ever say “Finnish composer,” it’s going to be Sibelius. Are there other Finnish composers? Yes. Are they going to ask about another besides Sibelius? Probably not.triviawayne wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2019 12:15 pm been thinking of how to put just this in a good way.
Pavlov's should be things that come up often on the show, not rarities, or might be on someday, or x always reminds me of y
Other than Scottish poet = Rrrrrrrrobbie Burrrrrrrns, the best example I can think of is Carmen by Bizet. Not that I checked, but I would say this one shows up in at least 85% of the Opera categories. In other words, you can pretty much count on it coming up if Opera is a category.
Here are the Pavlov's:
So best to remember Bizet = Carmen and Carmen = Bizet
Cigarette Song = Carmen (which = Bizet)
Spanish opera = Carmen
Spanish opera composer = Bizet
Gypsy = Carmen
anything more is too detailed or obscure and enough less likely to come up that it isn't worth being a Pavlov, such as based on a French novel.
On the architecture list above, one I can think of is if the question says “Prairie style,” it’s going to be Frank Lloyd Wright.
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Essa Pekka SalonenBigdogstalfos wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2019 12:45 pm On Jeopardy, if they ever say “Finnish composer,” it’s going to be Sibelius. Are there other Finnish composers? Yes. Are they going to ask about another besides Sibelius? Probably not.
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Or, to continue your theme, Finnish architect = Eero Saarinen. (And Finnish conductor = Esa-Pekka Salonen, but there's only one archive hit for that.)Bigdogstalfos wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2019 12:45 pm Yeah, I would characterize a Pavlov as a phrase where there could be more than one answer, but there’s only one there really is any chance of being asked. On Jeopardy, if they ever say “Finnish composer,” it’s going to be Sibelius. Are there other Finnish composers? Yes. Are they going to ask about another besides Sibelius? Probably not.
On the architecture list above, one I can think of is if the question says “Prairie style,” it’s going to be Frank Lloyd Wright.
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I found 5 archive hits, including the 1 that also names him as a composer. So that's the J! Pavlov, if there is one...opusthepenguin wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:01 pm (And Finnish conductor = Esa-Pekka Salonen, but there's only one archive hit for that.)
EDIT: Sorry, it's 6 hits, 2 also identify him as a composer...
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I would add habanera and opera = Carmen to this list. I did a quick archive search, it has come up seven times in context to Carmen.So best to remember Bizet = Carmen and Carmen = Bizet
Cigarette Song = Carmen (which = Bizet)
Spanish opera = Carmen
Spanish opera composer = Bizet
Gypsy = Carmen
anything more is too detailed or obscure and enough less likely to come up that it isn't worth being a Pavlov, such as based on a French novel.
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I don't know how to do any type of thorough search, but I just searched Carmen, then did ctrl+f and typed opera, and got 112 hits...knew it came up often.goongas wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:19 pmI would add habanera and opera = Carmen to this list. I did a quick archive search, it has come up seven times in context to Carmen.So best to remember Bizet = Carmen and Carmen = Bizet
Cigarette Song = Carmen (which = Bizet)
Spanish opera = Carmen
Spanish opera composer = Bizet
Gypsy = Carmen
anything more is too detailed or obscure and enough less likely to come up that it isn't worth being a Pavlov, such as based on a French novel.
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I would add the March of the Toreadors, which I've also heard in the Bad News Bears and Gilligan's Island, among other places.goongas wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:19 pmI would add habanera and opera = Carmen to this list. I did a quick archive search, it has come up seven times in context to Carmen.So best to remember Bizet = Carmen and Carmen = Bizet
Cigarette Song = Carmen (which = Bizet)
Spanish opera = Carmen
Spanish opera composer = Bizet
Gypsy = Carmen
anything more is too detailed or obscure and enough less likely to come up that it isn't worth being a Pavlov, such as based on a French novel.
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I don't think LSV should be criticized for adding too much information. I, for one, appreciate his efforts, and especially the opportunity to learn something new. Said criticism seems particularly inappropriate when this worthwhile thread had laid dormant for years.
(Not to mention he consistently racks up some of the highest Coryats and best FJ conversion rates on this site, so whatever he's doing for study is clearly effective.)
(Not to mention he consistently racks up some of the highest Coryats and best FJ conversion rates on this site, so whatever he's doing for study is clearly effective.)
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Then there's the muddled-Ironhorse wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 1:51 pm I don't think LSV should be criticized for adding too much information. I, for one, appreciate his efforts, and especially the opportunity to learn something new. Said criticism seems particularly inappropriate when this worthwhile thread had laid dormant for years.
(Not to mention he consistently racks up some of the highest Coryats and best FJ conversion rates on this site, so whatever he's doing for study is clearly effective.)
Female poet, James Baldwin == Nikki Giovanni(Although she might be a novelist.)
or just wrong information...
Peruvian poet, Nobel Laureate == Mario Vargas Llosa
(He's not known as a poet...)
I'm glad to note the Poet Laureate errors have been corrected, however...
A lot of non-poets for a list headed Poetry...
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A couple literature ones:
"The (random name) (random noun)" = Robert Ludlum. Random name is most commonly Bourne, but if you see anything like "The Huverny Entrapment" or "The Jurgkinsky Devolution", that's Ludlum.
Numbered poem = Emily Dickinson
"The (random name) (random noun)" = Robert Ludlum. Random name is most commonly Bourne, but if you see anything like "The Huverny Entrapment" or "The Jurgkinsky Devolution", that's Ludlum.
Numbered poem = Emily Dickinson
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