Wednesday, December 28, 2016 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

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Re: Wednesday, December 28, 2016 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by silverscreentest » Thu Dec 29, 2016 3:50 pm

Woppy T wrote:
goforthetie wrote:For those Narnia fans among you, let me plug Michael Ward's book The Narnia Code, which makes the case (quite convincingly) that Lewis had a secret master plan in mind for the 7 chronicles based on the seven medieval planets. It is a great piece of scholarship, very readable, and deepens one's appreciation of the series.

And I absolutely agree that one ought to read the books in publication order.
Me too. Here's a good article explaining why: http://decentfilms.com/blog/narnia-right-order
From TFA:
Reversing the order of these two books [The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe and The Magician's Nephew] gives us the answers first and the questions second.
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Re: Wednesday, December 28, 2016 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by BigDaddyMatty » Thu Dec 29, 2016 3:54 pm

Golf wrote:
BigDaddyMatty wrote:This game was a casualty of the "no ties" rule, and that's a shame. It would've been nice to see Justin and Dr. Mike face off for a second game.
Category 13 wrote:It would have offered a chance for a tie-breaker with both Justin or Stephanie, had he wagered $2800. If Mike had seen Steph's previous games, he might have had a hint that she was not willing to leave herself with ZERO at the end of FJ and made the choice for the low side 14,400 tie.
But upon seeing his wager, it becomes apparent that Mike wasn't about to let the tie-breaker happen.
Nah. Mike didn't see the possible ties scenario, otherwise he would either wagered $2800 or $2801. Wouldn't have mattered if it was 5 years ago judging by the round number wager.
This isn't a well-supported assertion. If he's not going for the tie, there's no strategic reason to wager $2,801 as opposed to $3,000. Corollary to that is the fact that we can't guess from Mike's wager what he would have done were ties still allowed.
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Re: Wednesday, December 28, 2016 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by Golf » Thu Dec 29, 2016 4:54 pm

Golf wrote: Nah. Mike didn't see the possible ties scenario, otherwise he would either wagered $2800 or $2801. Wouldn't have mattered if it was 5 years ago judging by the round number wager.
BigDaddyMatty wrote: This isn't a well-supported assertion. If he's not going for the tie, there's no strategic reason to wager $2,801 as opposed to $3,000. Corollary to that is the fact that we can't guess from Mike's wager what he would have done were ties still allowed.
Of course there's a strategic reason to wager $2801 as apposed to $3000, every dollar left at the end means a better chance of winning. With a miss wagering $2801 leaves you $199 more vs. wagering $3000. And we all know that with the non-logical wagers most contestants make that every single dollar matters in the end.

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Post by Bamaman » Thu Dec 29, 2016 11:35 pm

theFJguy wrote: Stephanie Schlatter: 10000-9998=2
Mike Lamar: 17200-3000=14200
Justin Scace: 7200+7200=14400 (new champ)
I certainly can't read his mind, but I think Mike just saw Stephanie's doubled score was $20,000 and saw he had $17,XXX and knew he needed to be $3,000 to cover her and didn't bother himself with doing the math.

If I'm in the lead I am making the MSB and not a dollar more. No, rounding up probably isn't going to make a difference most of the time. But you never know. Maybe second place makes a math error and misjudges your MSBIW and bets $4,300. Or maybe they just throw out a random bet that wins if you round up but not if you make the standard MSB. Do not leave anything to chance.

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Re: Wednesday, December 28, 2016 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by trainman » Thu Dec 29, 2016 11:47 pm

alietr wrote:Ah, for the days when shows had theme songs.
Not so much shows on the broadcast networks (given the amount of commercial time), but they're still around on premium cable and streaming services. "Westworld" has a great piece for the opening titles, and "BoJack Horseman" even has the type that tells you what the show is about (albeit as the closing theme rather than the opening).

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Re: Final Jeopardy! Round

Post by opusthepenguin » Fri Dec 30, 2016 12:25 am

Bamaman wrote:
theFJguy wrote: Stephanie Schlatter: 10000-9998=2
Mike Lamar: 17200-3000=14200
Justin Scace: 7200+7200=14400 (new champ)
I certainly can't read his mind, but I think Mike just saw Stephanie's doubled score was $20,000 and saw he had $17,XXX and knew he needed to be $3,000 to cover her and didn't bother himself with doing the math.
I bet he did the math plenty of times afterwards. Poor guy.
Bamaman wrote:If I'm in the lead I am making the MSB and not a dollar more. No, rounding up probably isn't going to make a difference most of the time. But you never know. Maybe second place makes a math error and misjudges your MSBIW and bets $4,300. Or maybe they just throw out a random bet that wins if you round up but not if you make the standard MSB. Do not leave anything to chance.
Problem is, the MSB would've lost Mike the game just as much as the bet he actually made. He needed to bet 2800 to TIE. A dollar more would've left him a buck behind Justin's doubled score.

I just noticed that Mike's pre-FJ score was exactly the sum of Stephanie's and Justin's scores. Hypothesis: When this is the case, you should bet to tie rather than win (and the other two players should probably wager everything). This works for the random numbers I can think of. But I'll wait to see if someone can disprove it. If I'm right, I want this rule named after me. "Opus' rule" sounds terrible, so let's go with Praeceptum Operis.

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Re: Wednesday, December 28, 2016 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by dhkendall » Fri Dec 30, 2016 12:44 am

Lore wrote:
dhkendall wrote:
Lore wrote:Anyone watching today's game on KARE11 from Minneapolis BEWARE!! They screwed up AGAIN so there is a BIG spoiler. There was a minor glitch when the categories for Double Jeopardy were being revealed so 2 weren't shown BUT the huge mistake they made was they showed Thursday's Final Jeopardy instead of today's so if you don't want to know who won tomorrow's game stop watching after the Final Jeopardy category is revealed.

The last screw up they had was showing a black screen with the station logo in the bottom corner instead of Final Jeopardy.
To be fair, I find KARE 11's coverage much more consistent than most other stations reported here. It's been a *very* long time (more than likely well over a year) since a first round episode wasn't shown for whatever reason and only about once every six months is Daytime J! preempted, usually for breaking news (most recently, Obama news conferences and the death of Prince (the latter didn't affect the first run ep, just the Daytime repeat))
When Prince died KARE 11 did preempt the regular episode (I posted about it in that day's thread). However consistent they may have been in the past they have ruined 3 episodes in the past couple weeks because of mistakes with Final Jeopardy - I'm counting tomorrow's game in that total since I know who won.
I'll definitely take your word for it, I was just going by my Coryat fracker which shows no game for April 21 Daytime J! but a tracked Coruat for the regular game and not indicated that it was played off the Archive or anything like that. Maybe I got it off another station too.

Curious what was the other messed up FJ, with the one having FJ black on Dec. 19 being one and this one being the other?
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Re: Wednesday, December 28, 2016 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by dinghammer » Fri Dec 30, 2016 1:05 am

John Boy wrote:And congrats to Justin, but man, seriously? Auburn in the Pac-12? Really man? That was just sad. You don't know what conference4 it IS in and don't know what state its in which is far, far away from Pac-land? But then again, he's a returning champ and I am...in the pool.
Maybe he thought the "Pac" was as accurate as the "Ten" in "Big Ten." (Or, y'know, just named a school in order to say something.)

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Post by seaborgium » Fri Dec 30, 2016 2:21 am

opusthepenguin wrote: I just noticed that Mike's pre-FJ score was exactly the sum of Stephanie's and Justin's scores. Hypothesis: When this is the case, you should bet to tie rather than win (and the other two players should probably wager everything). This works for the random numbers I can think of. But I'll wait to see if someone can disprove it. If I'm right, I want this rule named after me. "Opus' rule" sounds terrible, so let's go with Praeceptum Operis.
It's in the wagering calculator as "first equals second plus third" (appropriately enough).

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Re: Wednesday, December 28, 2016 Game Recap & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Post by morbeedo » Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:48 am

Nitpicking: Daffodils and Andrew Jackson (on a rebound) were both given as correct responses so they don't count as LT

Should have run Manet/Monet but negged on War of 1812 and blanked on Folies-Bergère (even given "Folies" in the clue). Water lilies was overvalued IMO

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