Thursday, December 1, 2022 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)
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Re: Thursday, December 1, 2022 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)
I did not watch this game (but will watch tonight's because a sister of a friend is on) but did the Gene Kelly clue say that "Xanadu" was his last film? One of my Facebook friends said that the clue was written that way. If it was, the clue was wrong--"That's Dancing", a MGM clip movie that came out in 1985 which Kelly co-hosted was his last fim.
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Re: Thursday, December 1, 2022 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)
Olivia called it an amazing experience working & dancing with this legend on "Xanadu", which would be his last filmgeorgespelvin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 11:45 am I did not watch this game (but will watch tonight's because a sister of a friend is on) but did the Gene Kelly clue say that "Xanadu" was his last film? One of my Facebook friends said that the clue was written that way. If it was, the clue was wrong--"That's Dancing", a MGM clip movie that came out in 1985 which Kelly co-hosted was his last fim.
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Re: Thursday, December 1, 2022 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)
That's exactly what my friend said the clue was. This means that the clue is wrong--or at the very least not satisfactorally pinned.
They might have even filmed Gene Kelly's narration spots for "That's Dancing" on one of the studios on the lot. Didn't MGM used to use the lot before Sony took it over?
They might have even filmed Gene Kelly's narration spots for "That's Dancing" on one of the studios on the lot. Didn't MGM used to use the lot before Sony took it over?
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Depending how deep in the weeds you want to go, technically "Cats Don't Dance" was his list film, as he worked as a consultant.georgespelvin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 12:31 pm That's exactly what my friend said the clue was. This means that the clue is wrong--or at the very least not satisfactorally pinned.
They might have even filmed Gene Kelly's narration spots for "That's Dancing" on one of the studios on the lot. Didn't MGM used to use the lot before Sony took it over?
No one's legitimately confusing a documentary/hosting appearance with an acting role, though. Not to mention none of those hosting appearances were alongside ONJ.
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Re: Thursday, December 1, 2022 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)
I did not say that it would have misled people--if you know that Gene Kelly co-hosted "That's Dancing" then you certainly know that he was in "Xanadu" with Olivia Newton John--however the clue is at best sloppily worded and at worst wrong factually because "Xanadu" was not Kelly's last on-screen appearance. It furthers the suppostion that clue writing has become very sloppy lately. Also, it denigrates Jeopardy!'s status as an educational program if it provides incorrect information even if that incorrect information doesn't lead you astray on a clue.
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Re: Thursday, December 1, 2022 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)
It seems clear that Jeopardy! clues are now routinely written without regard for standard English-language grammar. It is becoming increasingly common for a clue's desired response to be obvious from context -- "WECIB?" -- but for the clue's wording to rule out that desired response if you parse the clue using standard English-language grammar. And then there are the increasingly common ambiguities regarding facts that leave an insufficiently pinned clue open to dispute.georgespelvin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 1:04 pm the clue is at best sloppily worded and at worst wrong factually
In this case, it's as if a clue-writer looked up Gene Kelly in IMDB but didn't realize that "Actor" and "Self" are separate categories under which one can appear in a film, and thus pinned the clue incorrectly even though the response is an easy WECIB?. Disappointing, but increasingly routine.
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Re: Thursday, December 1, 2022 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)
Could we get another hint?
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A&E Biography doesn't care about the English language either I guessXu Donym wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 1:10 pmIt seems clear that Jeopardy! clues are now routinely written without regard for standard English-language grammar. It is becoming increasingly common for a clue's desired response to be obvious from context -- "WECIB?" -- but for the clue's wording to rule out that desired response if you parse the clue using standard English-language grammar. And then there are the increasingly common ambiguities regarding facts that leave an insufficiently pinned clue open to dispute.georgespelvin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 1:04 pm the clue is at best sloppily worded and at worst wrong factually
In this case, it's as if a clue-writer looked up Gene Kelly in IMDB but didn't realize that "Actor" and "Self" are separate categories under which one can appear in a film, and thus pinned the clue incorrectly even though the response is an easy WECIB?. Disappointing, but increasingly routine.
https://www.biography.com/performer/gene-kelly
Or the Christian Science MonitorHe made his last film appearance in the 1980 musical fantasy Xanadu with Olivia Newton-John, which proved to be a box-office dud, but a cult classic decades later.
https://www.csmonitor.com/The-Culture/C ... n-50-years
I guess the NY Times is a little better... https://www.nytimes.com/1996/02/03/movi ... -dies.htmlTomorrow will be the hundredth anniversary of Gene Kelly’s birth, and it’s been 32 years since his last film appearance (1980’s “Xanadu” – don’t see it, it’s terrible).
I'm pretty sure no one was actually confused about what the clue was going for, that when "last film" is used for an actor, they mean...acting. Not as a host or documentary talking head.His last performance on screen was dancing on roller skates in the 1980 movie "Xanadu," with Olivia Newton-John, a reprise of a number he did with his brother, Fred, years earlier. He also reminisced in the 1994 anthology film "That's Entertainment! III."
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Re: Thursday, December 1, 2022 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)
Please.Woppy T wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 1:53 pmCould we get another hint?
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Yeah, I'm at a loss.
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Re: Thursday, December 1, 2022 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)
Cris's not-liking-olives anecdote was lame (especially without specifying green or black!), but it least it got him to smile. His grim game-play is wearing on me - and maybe Ken too, since he noted Cris's scowl at the end...
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Re: Thursday, December 1, 2022 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)
I'll allow myself only one guess.
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It Happened One Night, with Stephen Colbert starring in the gender-switched remake (only, what was the character's name?)
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Re: Thursday, December 1, 2022 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)
The films are based on a classic work of literature. The films also have the same name.Woppy T wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 1:53 pmCould we get another hint?
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Re: Thursday, December 1, 2022 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)
That's pretty much the next hint I had lined up. To clarify, both films have the same name as the original work of literature.
Since, as I mentioned, it's a tough one, I'll add a further hint: one of the films was the actor's last feature role, and that actor was a heterochrome.
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Re: Thursday, December 1, 2022 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)
Before the hint I spent way too much time looking at the cast of A Kid in King Arthur's Court.
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Never heard of it. Can't be as good as Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court, which has a terrific song about doing nothing.Robert K S wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 2:48 pm Before the hint I spent way too much time looking at the cast of A Kid in King Arthur's Court.
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Re: Thursday, December 1, 2022 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)
I'm not sure why I went through a list of all the movies released in 1995 but I finally got it.
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Re: Thursday, December 1, 2022 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)
I had a hunch with Hugh Grant possibly playing a role previously played by Cary Grant. And Hugh starred in Sense and Sensibility in 1995, but it does not have a 1930s version and it doesn't seem that Hugh and Cary match up anywhere else.
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Re: Thursday, December 1, 2022 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)
The cool part is that I think it's entirely possible there could be another answer to the original question with different years and different actors, but it'd be very, very difficult to figure out.