Masters Wednesday, May 24, 2023 Game Recap and Discussion (SPOILERS)

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Game 1 J! Round

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Game 1 DJ! Round

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Game 2 J! Round

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Game 2 DJ! Round

[theFJguy]

Game 1:

FINAL JEOPARDY! CATEGORY
AFRICA

FINAL JEOPARDY! CLUE
A major seaport & formerly a world capital, a this city has a name from Arabic for "house of peace"

James Holzhauer 22400+11914=34314
Matt Amodio 6000+6000=12000
Mattea Roach 16800+8000=24800

Correct response:

Spoiler

What is Dar-es-Salaam?

Daily Doubles
James: 0-1000
James: 8600+8600
Mattea: 7200+7200

Coryats:
James: 15600
Matt: 6000
Mattea: 11600

Combined: 33,200

Scores at the end of the Jeopardy! Round
James: 4600
Matt: 4400
Mattea: 3600

Game 2:

FINAL JEOPARDY! CATEGORY
LATIN IN LITERATURE

FINAL JEOPARDY! CLUE
A work by this 15th-century English writer quotes the phrase "rex quondam rexque futurus"

James Holzhauer 9600-119=9481+34314=43795 ($500,000)
Matt Amodio 3200-0=3200+12000=15200 ($150,000)
Mattea Roach 22800-5915=16885+24800=41685 ($250,000)

Correct response:

Spoiler

Who is Thomas Malory? (James - Who is T H White) (Matt - Who … will …. Win?!?!?!) (Mattea - Who is Chaucer?)

Daily Doubles
James: 0-1000
Mattea: 7400+7400
Matt: 4600-4600

Coryats:
James: 10600
Matt: 7800
Mattea: 17400

Combined: 35,800

Scores at the end of the Jeopardy! Round
James: 5600
Matt: 1800
Mattea: 4600

[seaborgium]

Code: Select all

James:  34314  9600 43914 53514
Matt:   12000  3200 15200 18400
Mattea: 24800 22800 47600 70400

Mattea: Bet 5,915 to cover James.
James: You can win if Mattea misses, regardless of whether you get it. Bet less than 2,229.
Matt: You are superlocked into third place. Bet what you want.

[MinnesotaMyron]

Congrats to Mattea for making it a close enough game that I actually turned on the TV and watched the last 15 minutes live.

Got both FJs today.

FJGuy, the scores may be points, but the prizes were, as Ken put it, American dollars.

[floridagator]

Holy folx, that was something. I was thinking Milton as the last major writer to use Latin but then thought that was too easy. The contestants were able to keep the Daily Doubles away from James in order to have some suspense in the thing.

[theFJguy]

FJGuy, the scores may be points, but the prizes were, as Ken put it, American dollars.

Fixed, thank you.

[Golf]

The last FJ scenario was exactly the same as when James lost to Emma. Emma didn't see the opening and neither did Mattea tonight. It didn't cost Emma, it cost Mattea.

We know for absolute certainty James is going to wager GTO optimal in this situation. He knows that if Mattea answers correctly it's all over but if they miss he's going to wager to win every time. In short he's going to wager nothing or next to it. Guaranteed.

Since this is a known fact, in both situations a 0 wager locks up a win. Emma didn't see it and I didn't expect her to. I thought Mattea had a chance to realize it and even though I'm a James fan, I was hoping they would. But they did not.

Expecting a Jeopardy contestant to wager GTO is a very rare occurrence. One could do so with Arthur Chu yet nobody figured out to wager everything from 2nd and get the tie. Just like one can always count on James to do the same, yet neither contestant adapted correctly. I can probably count on one hand the other known contestants I would trust enough to do so and wager accordingly.

James was the best player by far, he deserved to win. But we all know that before the tournament started. You still gotta play the games though.


Interesting on the 2nd FJ that apparently nobody attempted to translate the Latin, but seemingly focused on possible 15th century authors. Pretty easy to figure out rex and futurus. But it's always easier from the couch.

[OntarioQuizzer]

Golf:

The show has been using they/them pronouns with Mattea the entire tournament.

[OrchidEntity]

Did James deserve to win? Yes.

Did I believe he was going to win from before the games were even taped? Yes.

Did I start to feel myself get a little competitive near the end, culminating in wanting to see Mattea take home the title? Yes.

[squarekara]

Interesting on the 2nd FJ that apparently nobody attempted to translate the Latin, but seemingly focused on possible 15th century authors.

James named the 20th century author of The Once and Future King, so whether or not he interpreted the clue correctly, he clearly knew the Latin.

[Golf]

Golf:

The show has been using they/them pronouns with Mattea the entire tournament.

Yep, post edited. Thanks.

Interesting on the 2nd FJ that apparently nobody attempted to translate the Latin, but seemingly focused on possible 15th century authors.

James named the 20th century author of The Once and Future King, so whether or not he interpreted the clue correctly, he clearly knew the Latin.

Thanks for that bit of info, I learned something new and stand corrected on the Latin.

[cf1140]

Is reddit going to criticize the host for not connecting James response to The Once and Future King? Clearly the host is not cut out for this job.

[jeff6286]

Is reddit going to criticize the host for not connecting James response to The Once and Future King? Clearly the host is not cut out for this job.

Maybe he didn't want to rub in the fact that James's answer was off by 5 centuries? Not sure but it's a theory.

[jeff6286]

The last FJ scenario was exactly the same as when James lost to Emma. Emma didn't see the opening and neither did Mattea tonight. It didn't cost Emma, it cost Mattea.

We know for absolute certainty James is going to wager GTO optimal in this situation. He knows that if Mattea answers correctly it's all over but if they miss he's going to wager to win every time. In short he's going to wager nothing or next to it. Guaranteed.

Since this is a known fact, in both situations a 0 wager locks up a win. Emma didn't see it and I didn't expect her to. I thought Mattea had a chance to realize it and even though I'm a James fan, I was hoping they would. But they did not.

Expecting a Jeopardy contestant to wager GTO is a very rare occurrence. One could do so with Arthur Chu yet nobody figured out to wager everything from 2nd and get the tie. Just like one can always count on James to do the same, yet neither contestant adapted correctly. I can probably count on one hand the other known contestants I would trust enough to do so and wager accordingly.

I didn't see you on Monday's thread but did you know with absolute certainty that James was going to wager GTO in that game?

[Bob78164]

The last FJ scenario was exactly the same as when James lost to Emma. Emma didn't see the opening and neither did Mattea tonight. It didn't cost Emma, it cost Mattea.

We know for absolute certainty James is going to wager GTO optimal in this situation. He knows that if Mattea answers correctly it's all over but if they miss he's going to wager to win every time. In short he's going to wager nothing or next to it. Guaranteed.

Since this is a known fact, in both situations a 0 wager locks up a win. Emma didn't see it and I didn't expect her to. I thought Mattea had a chance to realize it and even though I'm a James fan, I was hoping they would. But they did not.

Expecting a Jeopardy contestant to wager GTO is a very rare occurrence. One could do so with Arthur Chu yet nobody figured out to wager everything from 2nd and get the tie. Just like one can always count on James to do the same, yet neither contestant adapted correctly. I can probably count on one hand the other known contestants I would trust enough to do so and wager accordingly.

James was the best player by far, he deserved to win. But we all know that before the tournament started. You still gotta play the games though.


Interesting on the 2nd FJ that apparently nobody attempted to translate the Latin, but seemingly focused on possible 15th century authors. Pretty easy to figure out rex and futurus. But it's always easier from the couch.

In this situation, there is no Nash equilibrium in pure strategies. Thus, "game theory optimal" is some probabilistic combination of wagers. If that's truly what James is doing, there's no way to be certain what he will wager -- that's the point of using a mixed strategy. --Bob

[MarkBarrett]

Ken got his laughs with apologizing to James about the SO YOU THINK YOU'RE PRETTY GOOD AT THIS being about great upsets and the audience roared with the George Santos crack.

James hit both DD1s with one shot. And then he missed both of them. The Einstein capital city was a head-scratcher to wonder what was going through (or not going through) his head to miss that.

As someone alive in 1964 I got THE 1960s DD1 that once again dropped James into the red to start the match.

The AFRICA FJ! clue was a fail on my part as I did "house" to "casa" and never had the common sense to bring "white" into my thinking or "peace". The players were all over it so quickly I don't viewers saw anyone writing.

James got smoked by Mattea in game 2 with or without their big DD hit. A 10600 Coryat by the overall winner? Very surprising as too much of the material seem to get the best of James.

The FJ! clue had me know enough to work out "king" & "future". From there I ended the Masters on a high note getting one the players did not get right. I have none doubt that Ken would have got it right.

The wager reveals had me expecting low by James while I thought it was possible Mattea might try banking their $47,600 and rolling the dice.

Seeing James win had me kind of torn as I figured he would win, as soon as the six were announced, while appreciating how well Mattea played to almost take the title.

Try it again next year. I would expect to see Sam K. and the 2023 ToC winner in the JiT. J! All Stars has plenty of classic alums to choose from and I would put Emma B. on a short list as well.

[MinnesotaMyron]

During the final hugs, I'm pretty sure I heard someone say, "I'm proud of you." I assume this was James to Mattea. Can anyone confirm?